Callooh! Callay!1428010939 Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 "Yah, and that's da problem, eh? Modern conservatives no longer seem to care about honor, and patriotism before party." Painting on another layer of the same fallacious reasoning doesn't make the original argument any more logical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moosetracker Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 Well I know one country our rich will not flee to if Obama wins. France wants to tax the rich with a 75% super tax.. They may not gripe returning to the pre-Bush tax rates by comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moosetracker Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 Here another Republican fraud scandal the Republicans voter ID laws would not have protected against. In Florida David Rivera, a Republican running for congress spent personal money to put a fake democrat in the primary run. He wanted to run against his personally paid fake candidate. His fake candidate lost the primary, so he was up against a real candidate polls showed he was favored to win.. Now he is loosing, and looking at jail time.. He was already be charged with tax evasion, and other suspicious acts. And yes JoeBob, if you look for stories on it, David Rivera claims he is innocent. Case solved for you. I think I will wait for the conclusion of the investigation and trial.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callooh! Callay!1428010939 Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 What sport to see Partisans who live in glass houses throwing... ACORNs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moosetracker Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 I would ask you to show equal examples with proof from news reports from Independents for this election cycle (which is what I am..) But, I will make it easier for you.. Name equal examples with proof from news reports from Democrats for this election cycle So you can't pull from the 1950's as packsaddle tried to do earlier.. And you cant point to conspiracy theories. I would be surprise if you come up totally empty handed.. But, I bet it will be on one or two examples that are small and isolated and only hit local news. We already know Republican laws that is supposed to be to protect against voter fraud, had no history of any past fraud it would be keeping from happening. Your congressman had he been the sole example of cheating going on, would just have hurt himself in his own race, and barely raised an eyebrow except for in the local news.. He is just in national news because he is part of a growing definite trend that points to the overall practices of the modern day Republican party.. If Democrats were doing half of what Republicans were doing, they would be making the news nationwide rather than just local news also. Problem is since you can't look in the mirror, and admit a blemish on your saintly Republican party. You want to tell yourself everyone is doing it.. Your only equaling the playing field.. Transference, it is another form of denial.. Oh yes, and while your at it. Please explain the reasoning behind Republicans adding voter ID laws for non-existing fraud on one hand.. While trying to sell the idea of getting rid of the Voter Rights Act laws that are the laws because they are too constrictive.. Even though these are the laws that can be used to stop the type of voter suppression and voter fraud that the Republicans have been doing ALOT of during this election session.. Why get rid of laws to protect us against the type of voter fraud that is running rampant this election session, but add laws for voter fraud which there is no proof of occuring? You will be happy if Democrats do win enough to keep control of the senate and gain seats in the house.. They will be strengthening the Voter Rights Act, and putting more teeth in it.. I am sure they will find a few honest Republicans to join in with them and vote for it.(This message has been edited by moosetracker) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callooh! Callay!1428010939 Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 "To all Republicans in this thread.. Let me tell you that I am ashamed you consider yourself representives for scouting.." Maybe many of the Republicans can forgive your ashamedness. Adults are known to forgive adolescents for once in a while being embarrassed by association with them. Mirror imaging can cause error in how we perceive others' intentions as we assume their thinking somehow mirrors ours. Conservatives tend to care less about whether or not their political positions make them look like they are compassionate and kind and more about whether or not their political positions will lead to a free and just society. Leftists on the other hand, want very much to be seen and to see themselves as compassionate and kind champions of the downtrodden. They assume that the ostensibly good intentions behind their policies will lead to good results. They place a high premium on maintaining a heroic public and self image. That's why Conservatives so often think lefties are really collectivist totalitarian fanatics... because they don't understand that the naive poses of good intentions are the central facet of many lefties' focus. They think that lefties are actually aiming for the results that can be reasonably expected from left policies. And thereby conclude that lefties really want the totalitarian collectivist society their platform will lead to, when in fact, plenty of lefties just want to see themselves as wonderfully compassionate and caring, even if more in the telescopic Mrs. Jellyby manner. And it's why lefties so often impute evil and malevolent intent to anyone who argues against their positions. They see conservative are less inclined to preen their virtuous concern for the downtrodden and conclude from that that Conservatives don't care, since fore them showing "care," appearing virtuous, and proclaiming ones desire for all good things is of paramount importance. For many lefties, any evidence that a policy based in a desire for something good might not lead to good, must be evil and false. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moosetracker Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 Boy I wish your name was Romney or Ryan, so that I could tout your comment around.. Instead I know it is only the views of the Radical right tea party group which is half of what the republican party has become.. It is why the republican party will die out if it does not rid itself of your radical views.. It is a shining beacon of YES, the Republican party has shifted to be radically right, and no longer can attract independents and is having many people who use to consider themselves Republican now jumping ship.. It is OK to lie and cheat, to win elections. It is OK to remove American freedoms and force everyone to do things are way. It is OK to strip the Federal forest preserves and pollute the oceans, and plunder the country leaving it barron and polluted and inhabitable as long as we can make a profit off of it today. It is OK to lie to the American public about things like weapons of Mass Destruction in order to start wars we should not be in. Or to keep them in the dark about our economic situation until the bottom falls out and you can not hide it any longer.. Call Liberals Socialist, I think I might call your newly founded party a Dictatorship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callooh! Callay!1428010939 Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 Extremism in the defence of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moosetracker Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 You will find no liberty in a dictatorship or fascist society. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callooh! Callay!1428010939 Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 Excellent observation. You're making progress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sentinel947 Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callooh! Callay!1428010939 Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 He wrapped himself in quotations - as a beggar would enfold himself in the purple of Emperors. Rudyard Kipling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moosetracker Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 I was wondering when you would quit your babbling rhetoric of lies and show your true colors.. It took a while, but you finally did. Too bad there are not enough ignorant Americans who will blindly follow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sentinel947 Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 "Taxes are the price we pay for civilized society" Oliver Wendall Holmes. Why are we quoting random famous thinkers again? =) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twocubdad Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 Ah, thank God! We're finally getting back to the original bumper sticker discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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