Future BSA President Intent to Eliminate the Ban on Gays

[AZMike]

I also note that a Democrat NJ state senator has refused a BSA honor because they do not accept "gay boys" (his NAMBLAesque words, not mine) :

 

The Boy Scouts of Americas policies on openly-gay members have frustrated gay rights activists and liberals for quite some time. Recently, the organizations decision to continue its ban on homosexuals has added fuel to critics fire. And a New Jersey state senators decision not to accept an award from the organization due to these issues is likely to further stoke the debate.

 

Sen. Raymond Lesniak (D-Union) is refusing to accept a nomination for an award from the Patriots Path Council, a local Boy Scouts troop. He told 1010 WINS, a regional radio station, that he is troubled by the Boy Scouts stance on gays and, thus, could not bring himself to accept an honor from the group.

 

I was grateful for their thoughts and I do respect all the good works that the Boy Scouts have done, Lesniak said. I was a Boy Scout as a matter of fact, but I am very troubled by their exclusionary policies towards gay boys.

 

At the center of his issue with the exclusionary policies, Lesniak said that damage could be done to young men who he believes have no control over their orientation.

 

Its not their choice, its who they are and no good can come from them not being accepted for who they are, he continued. Theyre a good organization, they do great things, but they could do even greater things if they change their policy and allow gay boys to participate in their activities.

 

The Patriots Path Council released a statement following Lesniaks refusal, describing its diverse membership pool. While the organization is disappointed with the senators decision, leaders wrote, We fully understand and appreciate that not everyone will agree with any one position or policy.

 

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/nj-state-senator-refuses-award-from-boy-scout-troop-over-its-exclusionary-policies-towards-gay-boys/

 

 

[RememberSchiff]

Why? Do you think there is some sort of conspiracy?

 

No, I just want to be more accurate about Congressman Ryan than I was about Senator John Glenn.

 

[Hal_Crawford]

How is the phrase "gay boys" "NAMBLAesque"? Please explain.

[AZMike]

Hal Crawford: "How is the phrase "gay boys" "NAMBLAesque"? Please explain."

 

It sounds creepy as all get-out. It sounds like the title of a porn DVD that would be found in a search warrant of that creepy guy who lives down the street from you. It sounds like a pay-website whose server is in some central Asian nation where the FBI can't find them. Dude.

 

RemeberSchiff - sorry, I didn't know. Was Glenn not a Boy Scout and claimed to be?

 

 

[RememberSchiff]

No claim by Glenn. Because of his "Boy Scout" character, many just assumed John Glenn had been a boy scout. He wanted to join Boy Scouts but there were too few boys thereabouts so he and his buddies formed a club called the Ohio Rangers. They even used an old Scout Handbook.

 

In the media, I have heard Congressman Ryan referred to as a Boy Scout though I have not found any mention of a scout background on his website or wiki bio. I hope he was scout.

 

My $0.01 for rambling

 

[AZMike]

No, and not relevant to that, but looking around on his website I found the following interesting info on the # of Boy Scouts in the USAF Academy Class of 2015 (26% of cadets were Boy or Girl Scouts, 12% were Eagle Scouts or GSA Gold Award.

 

http://paulryan.house.gov/uploadedfiles/usafa_2015.pdf

 

In the West Point Class of 2015, out of 1,261 cadets, 445 were Scouting participants and 160 won the Eagle Scout or Gold Award.

 

http://paulryan.house.gov/uploadedfiles/usma_2015.pdf

 

That doesn't really have much to do with the topic of this thread, I just thought it was interesting and a nice thing to read.

[AZMike]

Also, some investigative reporting on the possible use of Ernst and Young CEO James Turley as a stalking horse by the Obama White House to oppose BSA policies, by none other than...Chuck Norris:

 

http://www.freedomcongress.org/america/2012/06/is-obama-creating-a-pro-gay-boy-scouts-of-america/

 

 

[moosetracker]

Well, if it comes from Chuck Norris, it must be true.. Norris, is a great actor, love his movies. But, honestly the guy shouldn't communicate without a script..

 

Yeah, Yeah, I know free speech and all that.. But, he opens his mouth and spews such nonsense, and all the respect you have for him that is built off of his TV & movie characters, goes down the drain.

 

 

[skeptic]

Now Moose'; do you really think he is a "great actor"? Maybe in the B level acting of the old black and white westerns on TV. Sometimes fun to watch, but seen one, pretty much seen them all.

[moosetracker]

Was Chuck Norris ever in a Western?.. That would be interesting to watch. He was more "B" in Kung-fo movies that I recall, and all I remember was more 70's 80's so in color not black & white.. (I think Jackie Chan was the best though.)

 

I was thinking of his charactors, I don't remember anything where he played a bad guy, or fruit cake. He was always the "good guy", helping people who were unfairly treated by either the system or the rich & powerful..

 

And for the time period that it played on TV show "Walker Texas Ranger" was a decent TV show. By todays standards, it may not rate so well, but for then it was decent.(This message has been edited by moosetracker)

[Eagle732]

I think Chuck Norris is great. The fact that he supports BSA makes me like him even more.

I'm nominating Chuck Norris for spokesperson for BSA!! (assuming Mike Rowe won't take it)

Go Chuck!!!!

And if Chuck's not available I nominate Ted Nugent!(This message has been edited by Eagle732)

[BSA24]

LOL

 

Just in case no one else gets the joke:

 

> In 2005 Nugent was involved in a legal battle

> for not paying enough child support for a child

> he had out of wedlock in 1995

 

> In 1978, Nugent began a relationship with seventeen-year-old

> Hawaii native Pele Massa. Due to the age difference

> they could not marry so Nugent joined Massa's parents in signing

> documents to make himself her legal guardian

 

From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Nugent

 

 

[AZMike]

Chuck Norris has played a bad guy, in "Way of the Dragon" opposite Bruce Lee.

 

And its nice that he will send out Eagle Scout congratulatory letters.

[NJCubScouter]

Getting back to New Jersey State Senator Ray Lesniak -- who by the way I have met and who is a very-long-time member of the New Jersey legislature -- I don't think you (AzMike) should be throwing around terms like "NAMBLAesque". (NAMBLA, if anyone doesn't know, is the "North American Man-Boy Love Association.") The term "gay boys" is perhaps not one that lands gently on the ear, and I probably would not use it, but since a "boy" technically is someone under the age of 18, a person under 18 who is gay could, I guess, be called a "gay boy." I don't think the senator meant it in a "creepy" way as you claim. I will tell you what I do think is a little creepy though: When you read of someone making a most-likely innocent reference to "gay boys" in the context of opposing discrimination against them, and it makes you (AzMike) immediately think of NAMBLA and of the titles of gay-oriented child pornography videos or web sites. I don't know the names of any gay-oriented child-pornography videos or web sites, but evidently you do.

[Peregrinator]

I'm sure Sen. Lesniak said "gay boys" as opposed to "gayboys" (which certainly *would* sound creepy).