Eligibility

[BS-87]

The eligibility issue is rearing it's head again.

 

Sheriff Joe Arpaio seems to be concerned that Barack Obama has not passed the E-Verify test.

 

http://www.wnd.com/2012/02/media-finally-paying-attention-to-eligibility/

 

I am quite amused by this whole process.

 

The conclusion is obvious. The imposter Emperor Obama will be dethroned and all of his tyranny will be reversed. /sarcasm

 

On a more serious note, it makes you wonder if folks are too quick to sweep this issue under the rug and dismiss it.

 

Surely there's no harm in investigating the issue in the way it's being pursued by Sheriff Joe, but what exactly are they hoping to prove?

 

Though highly unlikely, it's humorous to think of the absolute chaos this would throw the world into.

 

Imagine the outcome and try to tell me it wouldn't be the most humorous situation ever in history.

[Horizon]

If the Clinton machine couldn't find enough to take him down during the primaries 4 years ago, I don't see how Sheriff Joe has a snowball's chance in Arizona in summertime.

[SeattlePioneer]

Remember the television image of Bill Clinton shaking hands with John Kennedy?

 

 

If they could dig up a movie image of Barack Obama pledging allegiance to the government of Indonesia when he was in school there, or images of him worshiping at a Mosque, that might produce some interesting public relations fireworks.

 

 

(spell check initially turned "worshiping" into "horsewhipping." Glad I caught that one!)

 

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[CalicoPenn]

Ah yes, Plan B - "E-Verify". Just additional proof that folks who know just a little bit about something makes them dangerous, or idiots - can never remember which one.

 

We all know that E-verify alerts employers to potential fraudulent usage of social security numbers. For some reason, many people think the word "potential" means "is". And these people apparently haven't read the entire fact sheets that states that just because e-verify identifies a social security number as potentially being used fraudulently, doesn't mean it is being used fraudulently, and that Employers should not automatically disqualify someone based on the e-verify result without making further checks.

 

The e-verify database contains a rather larger number of social security numbers of famous people that will automatically trigger a reaction by e-verify if it is used. People on that list include Governors, Senators, Representatives, Presidents, Cabinet Secretaries, former Presidents, etc. etc. Why, I wouldn't be surprised to find Sheriff Arpaio's social security number popping up under an e-verify check. Of course President Obama's social security number pops up - it's in the directory to do so on purpose.

[Beavah]

spell check initially turned "worshiping" into "horsewhipping"

 

Yah, yeh gotta love that autocorrect feature. Gives me a laugh every time.

 

I must say I get quite a chuckle out of all the various "birther" conspiracies. It's better than a lot of the comedy stuff on TV. At the same time, I confess I also find it more than a little bit sad.

 

I saw this article recently. http://nymag.com/news/features/gop-primary-chait-2012-3/index3.html . Perhaps it explains a bit why some of my conservative friends have lost their minds and are starting to attack working hard and getting an education. Now I don't agree with most of the article, and I certainly don't buy the premise that we conservatives are goin' away. I think as an intellectual tradition we have the right of things in many ways, and I'm a believer that the best ideas win in the end. But the foolish political pact with the devil of identity politics that the Republicans seem to have made... the article may have a point or two there.

 

There is no way we can do anything but damage the future of the country by discouraging education, denying science, dismissing sound basic economics, or gettin' too rabid about vilifying others about their morals or life choices and circumstances. Da young folks, thank the heavens, can see that stuff for what it is, eh? Ridiculous. And beneath them.

 

Beavah

 

 

 

[packsaddle]

I can hardly wait to make this available to all of my students. As Beavah notes, I won't need to speak a single word...it speaks for itself.

 

Related observation: we recently noticed that we don't have 'long form' birth certificates for our children, only that 'short form' that no one seems to think is legitimate. So I applied for the long form for my daughter. We have to do this through a state agency and it is sent from the capital offices. It arrived. Nowhere on this document does it claim to be a "Birth Certificate". It is titled, "Certification of Vital Record".

I guess her prospects for ever running for President are pretty much over now.

Besides, according to that state agency, there ISN'T any longer a paper original of the document that they printed off from the computer, you know...one with doctor's signatures, etc. It doesn't even list who the doctors were or the hospital! I guess this thing could also be considered a forgery by Arpaio. Can't prove a negative!

That pretty much excludes from candidacy EVERYONE born in this state. H'mmmm...that's probably a good thing.

 

Heck for that matter, my wife's 'long form' (from the state of NY) doesn't even list her first name. She's listed as "baby - last name". I had a good laugh about that one because I suspect that old practice disqualified many thousands of other babies born around that same time.

 

Edit to add: I'd make a really lousy 'first husband' anyway.(This message has been edited by packsaddle)

[BS-87]

While this article is indeed ridiculous, why has nobody addressed Arpaio's main claim?

 

Obama's Social Security # is a Connecticut SS#, not a Hawaiian one.

 

It's probably another innocuous reason, but not addressing the concern fuels the presumed validity of the claim to the conspiracy theorist.

 

packsaddle brings up an interesting point though. This is not a road that should be pursued as it places an unreasonable burden on every candidate forever more. If Obama was removed from office in this way, it would create a similar movement against every president of every party for the rest of our future.

 

As far as I understand it, he's ineligible even though he's born here because of the Founders' intent to correlate the Law of Nations definition of "natural born citizen", because they wouldn't have used such a specific and significant term if not to mean the most specific and significant definition of the term in their time.

 

However, it's useless to argue that point because the courts have ruled against the Founders in cases previous to this, and so the best way to remove Obama from office now is simply to vote him out in November.

[OldGreyEagle]

I do not appreciate Obama's views on much except his choice of NFL Football team and the fact we agree on that makes me wonder of if I should be a Cheesehead, but I digress

 

If all the energy, bile, vitriol and hatred that was spent on Obama and trying to prove he was not eligible to be president was being spent on developing a well spoken presidential candidate with a cogent plan and was able to explain that plain in a manner understood by the voters, then the November election would be a fait accompli.

 

But rather than work to better things, its much easier to sling mud and cast dispersions. It certainly is much easier to destroy than to build, but sooner or later is not everything destroyed with nothing left to replace it?

 

[Beavah]

Obama's Social Security # is a Connecticut SS#, not a Hawaiian one.

 

Youngsters.

 

They all forget that the world was not always what it is now.

 

Used to be, lad, that yeh didn't need to get a Social Security number until yeh got a job that reported wages and income. Gettin' one at birth was fairly unusual, and there were lots of folks workin' farms or otherwise self employed who just didn't bother well into their later years. Social security cards were never proof of citizenship.

 

I don't have the slightest idea if that applies to President Obama or not, but yeh really need to get out of the nattering nutters echo chamber. The media show up at this Sheriff Joe stuff because of its comedy value. This stuff and the science deniers and all the rest do terrible damage to true conservativism, because it allows the media elite to portray all of us who believe in limited government, free markets, and moral values as anti-intellectual lunatics. Or worse.

 

Like OGE says, a bit less energy on space alien conspiracy theories and a bit more effort at articulate, well-reasoned economic policy would be a good prescription for success, eh?

 

Beavah

 

 

[shortridge]

Google and Snopes are your friend, folks.

 

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/ssn.asp

[packsaddle]

Well...as long as the nattering nutters are echoing in their chamber, we might as well have some fun with it. So...President Obama aside, which of the aspiring Republicans most resemble space aliens, and specifically which aliens?

My votes:

Ron Paul - My Favorite Martian

New Gingrich - Jabba the Hutt

Rick Santorum - Gaius Helen Mohiam

Mitt Romney - Beldar Conehead

Rick Perry - Jar Jar Binks

Michele Bachman - why, Michele Bachman herself, of course - doesn't get much more space-alien than that.

 

Edit to add: Shortridge, are you still trying to confuse those people with FACTS?(This message has been edited by packsaddle)

[BS-87]

Can we do Dems too?

 

Pelosi - Reptilian

Hillary - Reptilian

Obama - Reptilian

 

It's a well known fact that they're orchestrating the collapse of our nation and the slow release of verification of the existence of aliens so that it doesn't come as a surprise when the world in in chaos and the Reptilians come to Earth to enslave... I mean "help" us all.

[OldGreyEagle]

You missed Obama owns HULU (the old TV rerun thing)

 

I am surpirsed the Republicans are even spending time and money on producing a candidate in the first place when everyone knows Obama will announce he has canceled the elections, appointed himself as Emperor abolished state goverments and divided the COuntry into 4 Federal Districts, The West, Central, Southern and Northeastern.

 

The announcement will come by July, August at the latest, you will know when its been announced as the black helicopters will be every with the marking "property of Trilateral Commisision" crossed out and stenciled under it "New World Order"

 

 

And Hulk Hogan will be nowhere to be found(This message has been edited by oldgreyeagle)

[Beavah]

In short, the ideas are worthy of serious discussion, but they aren't being discussed seriously.

 

Yah, I agree with that, SeattlePioneer, and that's why the current Republican Party is such a profound disappointment. I've made the argument here many times that the last thing anybody should want is a government monopoly or near-monopoly on education. There's a reason why even those darn socialist liberal Europeans provide funding to all schools - religious schools, government schools, private schools of various sorts, just the way we do with higher education. The government's role is to invest in learning, not in one particular delivery mechanism.

 

But it's quite a step from that to tellin' people that parents who aspire to and sacrifice for gettin' their kids a college education are snobs who should be ridiculed. And the fact that neither Santorum nor lots of other folks in the party seem to be able to understand the difference between a principled argument on the provision of education and educational funding and dismissing education as snobbish... well, I reckon it just makes me want to throw up.

 

It's destroyin' conservativism and the party, and if they got into power it would hurt the country. We are striving to compete with nations that are tellin' their people that it is imperative for kids to work hard for the best education they can get, and who are pouring money into higher education in particular. And we're told that our kids should aspire to less than they are now??

 

Folks are concludin' quite properly that these folks are unworthy to govern.

 

Beavah

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[BS-87]

Speaking of conspiracy theories.

 

Last night, Andrew Breitbart had a heart attack on his way home and died.

 

It's now coming out that the Obama administration had the CIA assassinate Breitbart.

 

 

Why would the Obama administration want Breitbart dead?

 

http://www.prisonplanet.com/media-trailblazer-andrew-breitbart-dies-aged-43.html