Calling all Birthers

[JoeBob]

If it were no issue, why did the White HOuse finally buckle and release it?

 

I bet we never see the grades!

[CalicoPenn]

Why did the White House release it now? To embarrass a national press corps that was focusing on a stupid non-issue instead of important issues like jobs, the budget, health care, the economy.

 

The other way of asking is why take so long - and the answer to that is to let the stupid people just keep proving just how stupid they really are - like the latest carnival barker out there.

 

As for Cook County Board President - it's not the location where I was born that's the impediment - it's that I have way too much self respect than to want to lead that cesspoool (though I give Preckwinkle a lot of credit - so far, she seems to be making some great changes).

 

As for Vattel's Law of Nations, the work is essentially a plagiarization of Christian Wolff's work of the same title - and that alone disqualifies any consideration of his writings, as far as I'm concerned.

 

Further, if you want to claim that the interpretation is wrong - then go ahead and make that argument, but as of right now, President Obama is qualified as a Natural Born Citizen based on the current interpretation - and that is the only interpretation that matters at this point. If you can find a Supreme Court that will accept your interpretation, have at it - but even this current court doesn't seem eager to change the interpretation that we operate under so good luck with that.(This message has been edited by calicopenn)

[BadenP]

 

They released it to shut up once and for all Trump and other hayseeds like him and to show just how desperate and pathetic the right wing has truly become in this country. The have no plans to improve the economy so instead they launch a baseless attack to try to draw attention away from their own ignorance.

[BS-87]

CalicoPenn-

 

The only reason courts aren't hearing the case is because they're denying every case that comes to them on the grounds that the people who are bringing the cases don't have standing.

 

If any state made the distinction as to what a "natural born" citizen is in order to appear on the ballot for the presidential race, the case would go to the Supreme Court.

 

You're right though, this can be argued now and it doesn't change anything now, but isn't it important to know in the future?

 

Your opinion on Vattel's Law of Nations is your opinion. It does not change the fact that it was the version referenced by our Constitution's drafters.(This message has been edited by BS-87)

[Scoutfish]

LOL! Trump got trumpped!

 

Trump is a joke! All this fusas about how he personally didn't get to see Obama's BC.

 

I haven,'t seen my neighbors, W.Bush's , Beavah's or Mr. Trump's birth certificate either?

 

But I do remember years back that Trump tried to use Eminant Domain to force a lady off her land, demolisth her house and make a parking lot for a casino under the guise that it was for the greater public good.

 

The kicker is that the board that controls this was made up of a group of casino owners.

 

Finally, good sense prevailed at SCOTUS and they told trump to shove it.

 

Can't remember the exact date, but had to be about 15 to 20 years ago. That's the first thing I thought of when Trump started that Celebrity Apprentice show.

 

So wether everybody you like shows you personally as to wether they have a genuine BC is a BIG FREAKING DEAL...but tossing a homeowner out on their but by use of a public toll in fradulent ways is okay?

 

I hope this guy is NEVER elected to anything more than Silliest Toupee of the year!

 

 

[SeattlePioneer]

1945. Harry Truman. "The Buck Stops Here"

 

 

2011. Barack Obama "The Birth Certificate Stops Here"

[vol_scouter]

So hopefully the birth certificate issue for Obama is now settled. The episode has demonstrated a need for a constitutional amendment to clarify what is meant by the term 'natural born'. Obama has brought up other issues to which the constitution is silent such as having one's citizenship renounced as a minor. I would aver again that now would be a good time to address such issues. It would not affect Obama in any way since the process would take longer than the next election so such an amendment would be for future presidential candidates. My qualifications would be for the presidential candidates, the vice presidential candidates, and the Speaker of the House of Representatives. They should all be natural born which should be defined as having both parents USA citizens prior to the birth of the candidate and that the birth occur on USA soil. That the candidates shall only have USA citizenship throughout their life and no other citizenship (i.e. dual citizenship is not allowed). The amendment should also spell out plainly the documentation that is required to show this and that the documentation will be posted online and in newspapers (if they still exist) for all to see. Distractions as Obama has caused because of his background should not have to be an issue in the future.

[SR540Beaver]

Boy, did I get an education yesterday. According to Ann Coulter and Michelle Malkin, it has actually been the leftwing that has kept the birther movement going. Their theory is that they used it to marginalize the rightwing by blaming them for keeping the movement going. You could almost see their heads spinning as they said it.

[Eamonn]

"They should all be natural born which should be defined as having both parents USA citizens prior to the birth of the candidate and that the birth occur on USA soil. That the candidates shall only have USA citizenship throughout their life and no other citizenship (i.e. dual citizenship is not allowed).

Poppycock!

Try telling my son that he isn't an American.

I was born in London, England and have a real full certificate to prove it.

I have lived here in the USA as a Resident Alien since 1984.

His mother was born here in the USA, She holds an American passport, a certificate of her birth and a birth certificate, showing that she was born right here in PA.

He was born here in Pa. Back in 1988, he holds an American passport, a certificate of his birth and a full birth certificate.

He has been educated here in the USA, He sees himself as being 100% American.

To try and place any barriers that would take away of his rights as an American citizen is just plain wrong.

[packsaddle]

I agree with Eamonn. The strength of this nation has historically depended on the energy and talents of wave after wave of immigrants. To disenfranchise them in the manner vol_scouter suggests would not only be insulting, it could be damaging and I would consider it to be downright unAmerican. If we were to actually adopt anything like that, it would have to be justified on the basis of a critical, essential need.

So what IS that need, vol_scouter? What purpose would such restrictions serve in your mind? How would the nation actually benefit from the restrictions you are promoting?

[BS-87]

Eamonn -

 

Your son is 100% American. He's a native born citizen.

 

The only thing he won't be able to do as an American is hold the nation's two highest executive positions.

 

He doesn't even need to know that until he figures it out himself, because the odds are greater he'll win the lottery than seriously consider a presidential run.

 

packsaddle -

 

The NEED is for only those who have had a completely devoted, American life, and have been raised by people who themselves have lived as American citizens to represent our nation as its figurehead and chief executive.

 

This is because the influences in our life make us the person we are, and without exception we need the platform our President to launch from to be without question the most patriotic.

 

If you were born to an English father and raised and schooled in Indonesia. It's probably more likely you'd study under people who have un-American ideals (like Communist professors BHO used to 'hang out' with). These worldviews may make your policy decisions less likely to reflect the will of every patriotic American in ensuring our exceptionalism.(This message has been edited by BS-87)

[Eagledad]

I look at it this way, would the left had been quiet if the roles were reversed, no way. Would we have had this discussion if Obama, or any other president, had simply published their birth certificated at the beginning, nope. Was there a strategy for Obama, or any other president, to not show the proof citizenship or any kind of records that are important to judge weather a person is worthy of president of the United States, yes I think so. I have never been or ever will be a Trump fan, but he forced Obama to move when nobody else could and ended it.

 

Barry

 

[The Blancmange]

Trump has taken credit for forcing the release, but I think it was Packsaddle's prescience in starting this topic last week that was the real driving force. The timing makes more sense.

[vol_scouter]

BS-87 said it well. The president needs to be without reproach as to his allegiance to the USA. My suggestions codify that which is very American.

[packsaddle]

"The NEED is for only those who have had a completely devoted, American life, and have been raised by people who themselves have lived as American citizens to represent our nation as its figurehead and chief executive."

..like Timothy McVeigh.

 

This is nonsense. It argues that no person outside of those who are born in this country to two parents also born in this country can have a completely devoted, American life, raised by people who themselves have lived as American citizens.

 

Your argument is as fallacious as one which argues that no person born in this country to two parents also born in this country can NOT have a completely devoted, American life, raised by people who themselves have lived as American citizens. Unless you think Timothy was one of the good guys, I suppose.

 

And...incidentally and fortunately...you're completely wrong about Eamonn's son. He is perfectly eligible to run and, if he is elected, to serve as President or VP once he attains the age of 35. You might not THINK he is but tough luck, he is.

 

I would be tempted to sympathize with Beavah on this....but on behalf of all us bona fide space aliens, I disavow any knowledge of your abduction. It must have been from some other even-more-alien dimension.

 

Edit: The Blancmange, you think I'm joking about being a space alien don't you? I can tell you that the produce alone was worth the trip.

And...on 21 May when all of you milk-sucking skin sacks are assimilated by my forces, you'll begin to understand.(This message has been edited by packsaddle)