OldGreyEagle Posted December 11, 2010 Share Posted December 11, 2010 from Beavah Posted: Friday, 12/10/2010: 5:46:49 PM quality -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This thread was spun from another thread.. Yah, figured I'd move this to a new thread for a thorough smokin', in da hopes others might still comment on my news sources thread . Scoutfish, the smoking itself doesn't harm the other people. Yes, smoking marijuana and driving can harm other people, but that isn't the smoking per se ("itself") that does it. Have yeh seen da studies on second-hand cigarette smoke, Merlyn? Have yeh seen da studies comparin' the toxins in marijuana smoke with tobacco smoke? Have yeh ever been to a rock concert? I reckon just like cigarette smoke, the second-hand effects of smoking itself harms other people. Beavah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldGreyEagle Posted December 11, 2010 Author Share Posted December 11, 2010 from Acco40 Posted: Friday, 12/10/2010: 7:29:15 PM quality -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mary Jane may contain more tar than commercialized tobacco cigarettes but because of the way it is "processed" marijuana is more organic so I would argue (unscientifically) that marijuana usage is more harmful to the user but less harmful to the "second hand" smoker as compared to cigarettes. Neither is "healthy" and at least one is illegal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldGreyEagle Posted December 11, 2010 Author Share Posted December 11, 2010 from Trevorum Posted: Saturday, 12/11/2010: 7:59:41 AM quality -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- They should BOTH be illegal. Or neither. Take your pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldGreyEagle Posted December 11, 2010 Author Share Posted December 11, 2010 from JHankins Posted: Saturday, 12/11/2010: 10:49:24 AM quality -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From a medical perspective, marijuana can be far better for the treatment of chronic pain and illness than the normally prescribed pain medications, and with less side effects. But it doesn't have to be smoked now days. Tablet forms are widely available. Smoking it usually only helps people who can't keep food down without it. I've seen hepatitis patients turn 180 degrees after a few weeks of healthy eating thanks to the side effects of THC, but they couldn't take a pill; they could only smoke it. Would you deny a sick man the right to live if he couldn't eat any other way? Surgeons are even still using cocaine for certain medical procedures. Everything has its uses, but certainly everything can be abused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldGreyEagle Posted December 11, 2010 Author Share Posted December 11, 2010 from 83Eagle Posted: Saturday, 12/11/2010: 1:55:39 PM quality -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Regulate and tax it? We love smokers in this country--well, as taxpayers, not as people. I'm guessing we could tax it like cigarattes and it would still be cheaper than on the black market. Lotsa new agricultural jobs too rather than planting it in the middle of clear cuts in state forests. Just sayin.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldGreyEagle Posted December 11, 2010 Author Share Posted December 11, 2010 From John-in-KC Posted: Saturday, 12/11/2010: 2:01:22 PM quality -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- There is part of me that agrees with Trev, especially when there are people in the Peeple's Republik of Kalifornya who want to criminalize tobacco and legalize cannablis. Marin County and Belmont, I'm talking about YOU!! Wood smoke, leaf smoke, tobacco smoke, or cannabis smoke: The combustion products, including particulates, are the stuff that irritates the tissues and leads to cancers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packsaddle Posted December 12, 2010 Share Posted December 12, 2010 I think I agree with the reasoning of William F. Buckley on this subject. He was hardly either a liberal or a Neo-con. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evmori Posted December 13, 2010 Share Posted December 13, 2010 Smoke 'em if ya got 'em! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbemis1 Posted December 13, 2010 Share Posted December 13, 2010 Now that would be funny if they get to the point where you could light up a joint in a restaurant, but not a tobacco cigarette. Maybe they don't listen to themselves when they speak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlyn_LeRoy Posted December 13, 2010 Share Posted December 13, 2010 I'm pretty libertarian when it comes to drugs. Alcohol, tobacco, marijuana, cocaine, heroin, opium, morphene etc should be legal, with regulations to be sold to adults, with warning labels, dosage information, interactions, and so on. And have private businesses decide if they want a smoking ban. Len Bias wouldn't be dead, and the pope could once again drink Vin Mariani. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evmori Posted December 13, 2010 Share Posted December 13, 2010 Heroin and pot and opium and cocaine legal? You must be on something, Merlyn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldGreyEagle Posted December 13, 2010 Author Share Posted December 13, 2010 Heroin and pot and opium and cocaine legal? All those items were legal at one time, and the reasons for their criminalization was not necessary for the protection of the public as much as a reaction to a specific group, either ethnic or class level Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldGreyEagle Posted December 13, 2010 Author Share Posted December 13, 2010 Len Bias? I didnt know you are a Celtics fan Merlyn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GernBlansten Posted December 13, 2010 Share Posted December 13, 2010 I'm pretty libertarian too. Keep the big bad government out of lives. If you are an adult and want to shoot drain cleaner in your veins, go ahead. The gene pool needs a little more chlorine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlyn_LeRoy Posted December 13, 2010 Share Posted December 13, 2010 I'm not a sports fan of any sort OGE, but Bias' case is a good example. He bought some cocaine to celebrate his Celtics (and $3 million Reebok) contracts, but since he apparently didn't know much about cocaine; he took enough to kill a horse (with alcohol, too). I doubt he would have managed to kill himself if he could have purchased cocaine of a known strength in pill form with dosage instructions and warnings not to mix it with alcohol. Illegal, unregulated markets are more dangerous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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