BrentAllen Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 Yep. Headline from the Washington Post, with quotes from Gephardt & Rep. William Ford. Bush gave the speech in 1991. Democrats held hearings and investigations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lisabob Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 Yes and it was stupid then, too. Just because your political opponent did something dumb, does that mean you should do it too? Are we really a nation of 9 year olds, playing tit for tat? "He started it!" is our rallying cry? Sheesh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrentAllen Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 Uh.... No. Actually, I posted that so we could see a difference. Maybe I missed it, but I haven't seen any Republicans calling for congressional hearings or investigations on Obama's speech. I do find the difference in reporting from The Washington Post of the two events very interesting. One was using the students as props, the other is there to inspire them. Hmmmm.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narraticong Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 I have a good friend who is a hardcore Democrat and until recently was an elected member of his local school board. So I have been carefully following his take on this via his Facebook page. It has been very enlightening to say the least. Between his comments and the folks adding their comments, anyone questioning the speech is a moron or an idiot. We need to be dealt with harshly. How dare a school district not play the speech, but yet take federal education dollars? What are we going to do with Democrats who do not follow the state and national party line? We must stop extending our hand and instead push though our agend by any means necessary. The vitriol is thick and mean. I can assure them that I am neither an idiot nor a moron. I am just a parent who does not trust our president. I do not trust the overwhemingly Democrat members of the NEA to conduct discussions in an unbiased manner. Show the speech during the evening and let parents watch it with their children. Then a healthy family discussion can follow. Ken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SR540Beaver Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 Presidential indoctrination of childen is nothing new. Why I remember the 2005 Jamboree where George W Bush indoctrinated 40,000 Boy Scouts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlyn_LeRoy Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 Goofus and Gallant to the rescue: http://images.salon.com/comics/tomo/2009/09/08/tomo/story.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalicoPenn Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 "How dare a school district not play the speech, but yet take federal education dollars? What are we going to do with Democrats who do not follow the state and national party line? We must stop extending our hand and instead push though our agend by any means necessary." Don't people hate it when their tactics get used against them? "How dare a school district not play the speech, but yet take federal education dollars?". As I recall, it was the Republicans who said, in essence "How dare a school district not allow military recruiters into the school and yet take federal education dollars" then pass a law requiring schools that take federal education dollars to allow military recruiters into the school regardless of what the local populace wanted. "What are we going to do with Democrats who do not follow the state and national party line?" This same question was asked by the GOP and answered 20 years ago by the Gingrich Revolution. I can understand Democrats being worried about answering this question the same way the GOP did (after all, look how badly it's damaged the GOP), but why are the GOP so worried about this? Could they be worried that the Democrats will figure out a way to meld the laser-beam like focus the GOP can have on an issue (some would say narrow-mindedness) with the Democrats ability to gather from a wide spectrum of thought? "We must stop extending our hand and instead push though our agenda by any means necessary" Why is this thought so abhorent to Conservatives when it was Conservatives that were so well-versed in pushing through their agenda by any means neccessary. For a time, not too long ago, the GOP-controlled Congress didn't even bother to pretend to bi-partisanship, going so far as to hold committee meetings without informing the Democrats on the committee? Now, when the Democrats hold the Presidency and the majority in both houses, the GOP is insisting on "bi-partisanship"? How often must the hand extended in bi-partisanship be cut-off at the wrist by the GOP? If the vitriol is thick and mean, it's because it's going to take time to remove the so thoroughly disgusting influences of the neo-cons that have stained this great nation's character. "I do not trust the overwhemingly Democrat members of the NEA to conduct discussions in an unbiased manner." I truly wonder, then, why you haven't pulled your children out of school and started homeschooling them. Surely you must understand that your children's teachers will have many opportunities during the day to discuss a wide variety of topics, and that you have no real idea what will be discussed, nor can every really have an idea of what will be discussed. At some point in the school day, or more likely at a number of points in a school day, your children's teachers will say something that you do not agree with. Hopefully it's not something like 2+2 is 4, but it could be a discussion on Martin Luther King, or Abraham Lincoln, or the Sun God Ra. So do, pray tell, what makes this so different other than your apparent dislike of the President of the United States? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrentAllen Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 AP: Obama tells students each has something to offer "Yet this speech came with a dose of controversy, as several conservative organizations and many concerned parents warned Obama was trying to sell his political agenda. That concern was caused in part by an accompanying administration lesson plan encouraging students to "help the president," which the White House later revised. (Education Secretary Arne) Duncan acknowledged Tuesday that some of the prepared guidance for school officials included a suggestion that students could compose essays stating how they could help support Obama an idea the education secretary acknowledged was wrongheaded." Good thing us conservatives raised our objections, so the administration wouldn't do anything wrongheaded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evmori Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 Very well stated Calico! Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lisabob Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 Thanks Merlyn! Brent - who was that Republican fellow in FL, ranting and raving about Obama's socialist indoctrination of children and "invasive abuse of power?" He's not a member of Congress, I'll grant you that much. Tell me how what he's doing is really any different, or better, than what you're pointing out from your previous example though. Ken, there are lots of really good private schools in the Oakland/Macomb/Wayne area. Maybe it would be wise to look into some of them, if you feel that strongly about the people who are currently educating your child. Of course, I've always felt it was healthy for kids to hear differing opinions and learn to think for themselves. Evidently that's an outdated view though, judging from some of the stuff I'm reading here. By the way, Laura Bush gave her support to the president's speech and went on record saying she felt people ought to be respectful of the president (whoever holds the office). Yeah. Laura Bush. Wild-eyed socialist commie feminazi. You can't trust those school librarian types, can you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoutingagain Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 Did anyone happen to catch Newt Gingrich's(pinko socialist liberal that he is) opinion of the President's speech to school children on the Today show this morning? He gave it his full support. Actually the more I hear Mr. Gingrich, the more he sounds like a rational conservative. Something we could use a little more of. I'd like to see leaders like him and McCain take back the Republican party from the Becks, Coulters and other entertainer politicos that have no interest in the country other than increasing their own ratings and book sales by making up stuff to stir up controversy. SA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrentAllen Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 Lisa, Not sure who you are talking about, but if it is a private citizen, they have the freedom of speech. How is that different from what I posted? I pointed out that our elected officials were making it official government business to investigate and hold hearings about Bush's speech. They were on our dime while doing it - that's the big difference. It was just a political witch hunt being funded by taxpayer dollars. The funny thing was the GAO shot them down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsummerlin Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 He is the President of the United States. Respect the position, doesn't matter what side of the aisle you are on. As Scouts, we should at least do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoutldr Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 I like Newt. Says lots of stuff I agree with. Of course, he has some skeletons in his closet, too. One thing I've learned, though, we shouldn't let past actions, statements, and affiliations affect our decision in the voting booth. Bygones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lisabob Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 Brent, in case you missed it (must've been camping?), the fellow in FL to whom I was referring is Republican Party state chair, Jim Greer. He wasn't speaking merely as a private citizen, but as the head of his state party organization. Does he have a right to voice his opinions and sound like an idiot? Well yes, he does. Is this the type of inflammatory rhetoric and thoughtless fear mongering we'd like to see from real leaders (of any political party)? Well no, it isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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