GernBlansten Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 Pssst Brent. Cheney and Obama are on the opposite ends of gay marriage debate. Weird, isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrentAllen Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 I'm not so sure I would say they are at opposite ends. Cheney has said he thinks it is a state's rights issue. I think some people are putting more words in his mouth that what he actually said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanKroh Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 Well, here are the actual words that came *out* of his mouth (emphasis mine): "I think that freedom means freedom for everyone," replied the former V.P. "As many of you know, one of my daughters is gay and it is something we have lived with for a long time in our family. I think people ought to be free to enter into any kind of union they wish. Any kind of arrangement they wish. The question of whether or not there ought to be a federal statute to protect this, I don't support. I do believe that the historically the way marriage has been regulated is at the state level. It has always been a state issue and I think that is the way it ought to be handled, on a state-by-state basis. ... But I don't have any problem with that. People ought to get a shot at that." Seems pretty clear to me.(This message has been edited by DanKroh) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrentAllen Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 Dan, About as clear as mud to me. First he says people should have the freedom to enter into any type of union. Then he says that freedom shouldn't be protected at a national level. Then he says it is a state issue. Then, he says everyone "should get a shot at that." What does that mean? Does it mean it should come up for a vote before the people of each state? Does it mean every state should allow it? Is he going to lobby for it in his state? If he thinks it is such a good thing, why doesn't he think it should be allowed across the country? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeptic Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 "everyone "should get a shot at that."" Is he carrying the shotgun?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanKroh Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 Brent, I believe that what you find unclear is how Cheney thinks that marriage equality should be implemented. And I agree, other than saying that he doesn't believe it should be done at the federal level, I have not seen any comments from him that illuminate how he thinks states should enact that equality. But that doesn't negate that he supports (and has since at least the 2004 election) the fundamental right of same-sex couples to marry. His words on that are pretty clear, imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GernBlansten Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 I see Brent. This is like 1984. War is Peace. Freedom is Slavery. Ignorance is Power. Conservation is exploitation. Cheney says everyone "should get a shot at that" but is against marriage equality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrentAllen Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 Now, now, Gern. Don't go putting words in my mouth, either. I didn't say Cheney was against it, I said his position wasn't clear. I may be combining the "what" with the "how" in saying he isn't clear, whereas Dan sees the "what" as clear and the "how" as unclear. Fair enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevorum Posted June 10, 2009 Author Share Posted June 10, 2009 What I find telling is that one of the most iconic conservatives in the country, and flag holder for the Republican Party, Cheney accepts the concept of marriage equality because he knows a real, live homosexual (as opposed to illusionary stereotypes created by fear and hatred). I wish everyone could be so lucky as to have a gay or lesbian family member. (edited typo of his name.)(This message has been edited by Trevorum) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrentAllen Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 Trev, Not so sure why that should be considered lucky, but regardless, does a cousin count as family in your book? It does in mine, and count me among that group. That still doesn't change my mind on the central issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GernBlansten Posted June 11, 2009 Share Posted June 11, 2009 Yeah, can't be too sure how much of that gay fruit is hanging from our family trees can we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broken Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 Ahh, this thread is a perfect example of why I have lost my faith in religion. Now dont go worrying, I believe in god. I believe that got created all we saw, but not in 7 days. He, she it, they started the whole pot boiling and walked away. I believe god has no influence on our daily life, and all religions are just mans interpretations of whats around us. There is no heaven, there is no hell, there is no divine intervention. Storms are just storms, floods are just floods, fires just fires, god has nothing to do with anything that happens. I gave been immeasurably happy since I realized this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagledad Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 >> There is no heaven, there is no hell, there is no divine intervention. Storms are just storms, floods are just floods, fires just fires, god has nothing to do with anything that happens. I gave been immeasurably happy since I realized this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GernBlansten Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 Careful there Barry. There's a fine line between the power of prayer and the power of positive thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packsaddle Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 Or dumb luck for that matter. So how can anyone else know the difference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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