BadenP Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 All I can say Brent is Thank God you and your ilk are not in a position of running this country because with your myopic views we would be in a full scale depression worse than 1929. Your cop out that you voted for McCain still doesn't resolve you from being a responsible citizen, what type of citizenship are you teaching your scouts anyway, if your candidate doesn't win you can moan and cry and bi-ch like a child. You don't have to like Obama but at least respect the office he will soon hold and upon whom the future of our country depends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaHillBilly Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 What's ironic in all this debate about energy policy, is that both left and right agree on many things that should be done. Right wants less foreign oil use. Right wants to cripple or weaking Arab economies supporting terrorists. Left wants reduced carbon footprint from transportation Left wants reduced carbon footprint from energy production Answer #1: biofuels Hopefully, we'll get something more efficient than ethanol, but both sides like efficiency. Who doesn't like efficiency? UAW and US auto lobbyists, because US automakers have preferred inefficient vehicles. Answer #2: alternative energy, like wind, solar, tide pumps Who doesn't like this? People bugged by whump, whump, whump sounds at night. Right wants better national security Left wants technology for all Answer: Government network program, like the Rural Electrification Administration, enforcing IPv6, exit filtering of IPs (no spoofing), subsidizing net based work at home programs and network programs, especially in low income and rural areas. (Reduces carbon footprint; foreign oil use, etc.) Subsidize or grant favorable tax handling for relatively secure and cheap network appliances (IE, Linux based internet browsers based in pumped up 17" or 19" LCD monitors with built-in routers -- probably $250 or less each in 100,000 quantities. Enforce IP filtering at US border routers, so that spoofed IPs mostly blocked at US borders. (PS, enforced IPv6 with enforced autoblocking by ISPs of zombies could largely end spam and hacking over night. ISP's can't do it themselves, because people would whine . . . but if they all HAD to do it, they'd love it.) Who would object? Microsoft, because they aren't cheap or secure, and because they have no business plan for Internet appliances. Some Linux weenies because they are knee-jerk anarchists and libertarians. Secret porno users because it would make their habit harder to hide from Momma. I could go on, but there's area after area where the same basic program or action will deliver results desired by both right and left. I can't even begin to imagine why these things aren't being pursued. I'm guessing that the answer -- right & left -- is "Lobbyists". GaHillBilly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldGreyEagle Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 Another alternative Billy is that the ideas you have mean both sides would have to work together (gasp) and that appears anathematic to both sides. You (the rhetorical you, not you Billy personally) have to be wrong because I know I am right and I can't possibly work with someone who is so wrong even if what we work on meets both our goals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SctDad Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 I have a question when it comes to global warming and polution. Who is going to go over to Iraq and tell them to cap off their black smoke producing factories. There was one brick factory near where I was that had 68 smoke stacks pumping out that black smoke and about 20 that were not inuse at the time. Even if WE as the United States went completely eco friendly, there are still countries that are working aginst us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrentAllen Posted November 20, 2008 Author Share Posted November 20, 2008 BadenP, Good to hear from you. Have a nice day. Brent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kahuna Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 the moon landing. Moon landing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kahuna Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 we would be in a full scale depression worse than 1929 Give the Dems time, just give them time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Winger Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 " Even if WE as the United States went completely eco friendly, there are still countries that are working aginst us." Hey, if we wait a few more years we won't have any factories left to pollute. :-( Why is China so popular with manufacturers? Because they don't have to worry about pollution. Most ompanies only care about the planet if it makes for good publicity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packsaddle Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 I am going to defend Brent here. I think it is just and right to be very skeptical about political policies regarding energy. Neither party has proposed a realistic approach to the coming energy crunch. Forget global climate change. It's going to happen or it's not going to happen. We're deceiving ourselves with arrogance to think we can turn off a few lights or get a few greater mpg and that's going to make a difference one way or the other. It's politics. Now regarding the aluminum foil hat...I just have to ask about that. I have a neighbor who lives about a dozen houses down the street. She's late middle age and rarely comes out. When she does she wears on her head what appears to be a large aluminum pot covered with aluminum foil. After living the South my entire life, I just take things like this in stride. However, today I saw her again and noticed that she also had plastic bags wrapped around each leg, all up and down her legs. Does anyone have any idea what THAT's supposed to do? I confess, I literally AM afraid to ask her. BTW, Her house had a political sign out front during the campaign. Wanna know whose name was on it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Winger Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 " Forget global climate change. It's going to happen or it's not going to happen. We're deceiving ourselves with arrogance to think we can turn off a few lights or get a few greater mpg and that's going to make a difference one way or the other." That's what the polluters have said for decades. "Aw, a little bit of chemicals in the ground water won't hurt anything." "Smoke never hurt anyone." "Acid rain? It's cleaning our buildings." We have to start somewhere and every journey begins with a single step. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheldonsmom Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 A few more thoughts to ponder. If more electric and hybrid cars actually fit a family of more than 3 people, don't you think people would buy them? The smart car is cute but you can't fit a family of 6 or 7 in them! Flush toilets are the greatest contributor to modern health. A working sewer system is what ushered in modern medicine. Conservation and recycling are good ideas but the government should not MANDATE them. You can create more with incentives than you can stop bad behavior with tax increases. As far as I can tell, changing to one of the new (smaller volume) flush toilets did nothing to lessen our water usage. We have one bathroom for our family of six (take a number first thing in the morning!). McCain was not a perfect candidate but what can you expect when you let the media choose your candidate! I will give Obama a chance but I am afraid of what will come. Will the BSA keep their charter? Will homeschooling still be legal? What will happen to talk radio? Maybe not top priority on everyone's list but we need to think about what is coming. Maybe I will be pleasantly surprised. I can only pray that it will be so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packsaddle Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 GW, my pessimism is founded on what I've seen in the past. Just for example, if you think injecting CO2 into the ground is going to 1) work, or 2) be cost-effective, you need to rethink thermodynamics and perhaps take a look at what happened at Lake Nyos, Cameroon. Drill, baby, drill and similar nonsense is merely a way to maintain the lifestyle that put us where we are right now for just a little while longer. Don't get me wrong, the problems CAN be solved but not without changing our lifestyle. Oh, it's going to happen eventually! I'm just pessimistic that we'll do it voluntarily, under some semblance of a realistic plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Winger Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 Well Pack, since you don't like it, it must obviously be a bad idea. I'm sure the guys who are studying the idea are not nearly as qualified as you are. I can't really comment since it is out of my field of expertise and I haven't studied it in any detail. Remember that the great orthodoxy of science once believed that man couldn't go faster than 30 mph or he'd suffocate. In any case, even if it is a bad idea, bad idea lead to good ideas. Just look at how many tried Edison had to make before he found a filament that would work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlyn_LeRoy Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 Gold Winger writes: Remember that the great orthodoxy of science once believed that man couldn't go faster than 30 mph or he'd suffocate. No, that was one idiot who couldn't even make simple observations; horses can go that fast carrying a rider. But people who fall for crank science can't tell the difference between real science and quackery, or folklore for that matter. I'll go with real science. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Winger Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 [personal affront], FScouter (This message has been edited by a staff member.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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