GernBlansten Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 OGE: "You may say I am a dreamer, but I am not the only one perhaps someday you will join us and the world will live as one" HOW DARE YOU! Quote the lyrics of a song that clearly promotes atheism. I'm beyond offended! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eolesen Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 ...it should be obvious that the BSA's freedom of association is often in direct conflict with their own sponsors, or potential sponsors, freedom of association and that when those sponsors, especially those sponsors that are a tight knit community such as Community Day hear from their members, the BSA loses sponsors and potential members. I am not a member of the Assemblies of God, but there's a quote that was forwarded to me once that pretty much sums up why BSA shouldn't be budging on this issue: Today, families with members who choose a homosexual lifestyle sometimes call for social acceptance of the deviant lifestyle. Some churches hearing this cry or impacted by revelations of homosexual clergy within their ranks have responded by advocating a gay-friendly theology of compassion. But lowering Gods holy standards to mankinds sinful preferences is an abomination in Gods sight. As members of the body of Christ, we must not ignore Gods clear admonitions. I would rather see BSA shrink and stand their ground on what they see as moral issues, than to cave into pressure and lower their standards. Lowering our standards because of public pressure has created far more problems in this country than not. Just look at our schools.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tjhammer Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 Again, exactly what principles do you not want to abandon? I'm having real trouble figuring that out. If it's Biblical inerrancy, are you prepared to explain all other parts of the Bible you choose to ignore or interpret differently? And regardless of whether you are, why should the Bible matter to Scouting? Scouting doesn't claim the Bible is any more or less relevant to them than other "holy scriptures". So what principle are you being asked to abandon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packsaddle Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 Wow, this thread has EVERYTHING! Brent trashing Beavah, Merlyn cracking jokes, OGE plagiarizing a Beatle, Ed missing the point, biblical infallibility...and not even two pages yet. Nice. But it looks like BSA has noticed some of the inconsistencies and backed off a bit. Still a few left though. Just a matter of time. It will happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fgoodwin Posted October 26, 2007 Author Share Posted October 26, 2007 As I was reading, then posting this article, a question came to my mind. I understand why the Jewish school chose to relinquish its sponsorship of the unit due to BSA's policy on gay leaders. But I wonder if they are OK with BSA's policy of excluding atheists? I wish the reporter had asked that question -- it would be interesting to hear their views on that policy, and how that might affect their willingness to sponsor a unit (or not). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Winger Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 I don't think that ed's missed the point. Changing your position because of the natterings of outsiders never makes an organization stronger. Look at the Girl Scouts. They keep changing trying to be relevant but they don't seem to attract the girls that they change to please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquila Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 >>>Why should the BSA abandon their stance on homosexuality? Because everyone else has? Because times have changed? Because a kid would be upset because his gay parents aren't allowed to be members because they don't meet the criteria? Where does it say everyone gets to do everything they want? The BSA should stick to its guns. In the end, they will be a stronger organization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquila Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 OGE: "You may say I am a dreamer, but I am not the only one perhaps someday you will join us and the world will live as one" HOW DARE YOU! Quote the lyrics of a song that clearly promotes atheism. I'm beyond offended! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evmori Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 I don't really think John Lennon was promoting anything but peace with that song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquila calva Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 Tile :John Lennon - Imagine Imagine there's no Heaven It's easy if you try No hell below us Above us only sky Imagine all the people Living for today Imagine there's no countries It isn't hard to do Nothing to kill or die for And no religion too Imagine all the people Living life in peace You may say that I'm a dreamer But I'm not the only one I hope someday you'll join us And the world will be as one Imagine no possessions I wonder if you can No need for greed or hunger A brotherhood of man Imagine all the people Sharing all the world You may say that I'm a dreamer But I'm not the only one I hope someday you'll join us And the world will live as one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packsaddle Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 Aquila Calva and Aquila, if you are the same person, could I get a sample of your brain tissue some time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GernBlansten Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, FLOOR! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquila calva Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 Birds of different feathers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadenP Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 Here is the the saddest part of all to the reform Jews their kids never get to be scouts, even though they can join an outside unit, the Jew's like other traditions their faith and culture and community are inseperable, so who really is the loser here? THE KIDS. The bottom line here boys and girls whether you like it or not the BSA membership today is about 60% LDS and the National office will NEVER do anything to offend their largest chartered partner. Every policy National puts out regarding religion or ethics is pre approved by the top leaders of the the LDS church. IMHO this is what really is at the root of BSA credibility question and one of the main reasons that our numbers continue to go down on a national level. To borrow from OGE, "You may say that I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one..." I have always felt that scouting was a unifier for youth of all backgrounds not as a devisive agent putting people at odds with each other at it seems to be currently. I think we owe our kids better than that and put away all of our own political agendas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eolesen Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 LDS is indeed the largest single CO, but they're not anywhere near half the membership. They're about 12-15% of the registered members, and about 25-30% of the registered units. But, their members do make up about 50% or more of the FOS contributions and bequeathments to Scouting, so you're correct that they have a larger voice at the table than some of the more liberal CO's. On a membership basis, both the United Methodist Church and Catholic Church have almost as much influence, so it's not just the LDS throwing their weight around where issues of faith and morality are concerned. (This message has been edited by eolesen) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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