ljnrsu Posted August 20, 2006 Share Posted August 20, 2006 Packsaddle as a fellow eagle I couldn't agree more with your eloquent post. There are times that people forget that while a scout had help along the way in attaining the rank of Eagle it was his alone to attain. We can push,prod,guide and sometimes as parents even threaten. When it is all said and done if that individual doesn't have that desire,want and goal then there isn't anything anyone can do. Eagles are individuals just like anyone else and should be treated as such. The virtues that Eagles have is widely recognized in both the public and military sectors. As you so aptly put "It is their achievement. And theirs to dishonor if that is what the future holds". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
molscouter Posted August 21, 2006 Share Posted August 21, 2006 Fuzzy, Since Scouting in the US didn't start until 1910, we need to eliminate all the Presidents born before 1900 or so. That leaves us with only 9 who could have been Scouts, starting with Kennedy. Doesn't change your overall point though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzzy Bear Posted August 22, 2006 Share Posted August 22, 2006 molscouter, I didn't see that one coming. I should have taken my shoes off and used my toes as well. FB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zahnada Posted August 22, 2006 Share Posted August 22, 2006 Does anyone else notice that whenever a criminal has any kind of scouting history, it is always mentioned? For a work assignment, I was researching serial killers (I will never look at humanity the same), and I believe it was John Wayne Gacy and Jeffrey Dahmer who both had scouting ties. I think there were other famous ones too. Why is it always mentioned? I don't feel it has anything to do with some anti-BSA media bias. It has more to do with standard media shock value. The Boy Scouts is such a stereotypically pure element in our society that it's always shocking to debunct the "All American Boy Scout". In a way, we should take that as a twisted compliment. Boy Scouts do so much right in this world that people always feel the need to mention when they do something wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acco40 Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 Scott Peterson is an Eagle Scout. Gary Hirte, a Wisconsin high school senior, Eagle Scout and former star athlete, shot a substitute teacher in the head and stabbed him in the back and heart. Both of these men were share the same trait of believing they were smarter and better than others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunt Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 "Both of these men share the same trait of believing they were smarter and better than others." I resent the implication that those of us who are smarter and better than others are also prone to violence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWScouter Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 Hunt, I resent it too. Perhaps we should take Acco40 out back and teach him a lesson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzzy Bear Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 I got to thinking about these bad Eagles All of these Eagles were human. All of these Eagles had parents. All of these Eagles had families. All of these Eagles ate food. All of these Eagles wore blue jeans. All of these Eagles went to school. All of these Eagles went camping. All of these Eagles did Service Projects. All of these Eagles were quiet law abiding citizens. All of these Eagles were religious. We need to get to the root of this problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packsaddle Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 Don't worry Acco40, I'll be there to defend you. Just as scouting is not responsible for the bad in persons, it perhaps should not be credited with all that is good. I doubt that we can measure precisely the benefit that scouting has on the boys. We just 'know' that there is benefit, sometimes because they tell us so in so many ways - and perhaps if not for scouting...we just can't ever know for sure. I just wish scouting really WAS for everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzzy Bear Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 Several astronauts were Eagles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GernBlansten Posted August 25, 2006 Author Share Posted August 25, 2006 I've known and worked with several astronauts. All astronauts are nerds. Does that mean all eagle scouts are nerds too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunt Posted August 26, 2006 Share Posted August 26, 2006 When my son was a Cub, a guy from NASA came to give a presentation to the Pack--he had a mock-up space suit, some pictures, etc. At one point he asked, "Does anybody here want to be an astronaut when he grows up?" All the dads in the audience raised their hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narraticong Posted September 5, 2006 Share Posted September 5, 2006 While I'm not an astronaut, I am an Eagle Scout. If that makes me a nerd, it's way better than the alternative! A nerd I'll stay! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
standerson Posted September 17, 2006 Share Posted September 17, 2006 Regarding one of the most esteemed eagles: http://www.thebiographychannel.co.uk/biography_story/802:589/1/Michael_Moore.htm Another local boy makes good, perhaps helped by values he learned in scouting. Sorry guys, "esteemed" is not the word I would use to describe Michael Moore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GernBlansten Posted September 17, 2006 Author Share Posted September 17, 2006 Moores lust to reveal cooperate injustice and misdemeanour began when he was an Eagle Scout and made a slide show exposing all the businesses that polluted Flint. At 18, Moore won a seat on the Flint school board, making him one of the youngest people in the US to hold public office. I guess Mr. Moore took Citz in the Community a bit too seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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