The ACLU finds some time

[fling1]

Ed, did you browse around the SCOTUS architectural site I linked for you? Did you notice that no text is ever included with the tablets? The artists indicate that this is deliberate, so that tablets can represent ancient law in general. If you associate these with "have no other gods" and Merlyn associates these with "don't boil your kid in milk" then the artists' aim has been achieved :-)

 

[evmori]

fling1,

Yes I did and thanks! Words or not, the Ten Commandments are the Ten Commandments! They were written by God!

 

Merlyn,

What bible are you reading?

 

Ed Mori

Troop 1

1 Peter 4:10

[Merlyn_LeRoy]

Never read Exodus 34, eh?

[evmori]

Never read Exodus 34, eh?

 

Yeah. Did you?

 

The LORD said to Moses, "Chisel out two stone tablets like the first ones, and I will write on them the words that were on the first tablets, which you broke.

[Merlyn_LeRoy]

Ed, that's where the commandment to not cook a kid in its mother's milk is found. Read for comprehension.

 

And didn't you notice that the "words that were on the first tablets" were different this time around?

[Trevorum]

Merlyn,

Obviously, She just changed Her mind ...

[evmori]

I don't think I'm the one with the comprehension problem here. What part of

 

"I will write on them the words that were on the first tablets"

 

don't you understand, Merlyn?

 

Ed Mori

Troop 1

1 Peter 4:10

[Merlyn_LeRoy]

Well Ed, since the words DON'T match the previous version, god's wrong.

 

And you seemed to want to know where the commandment against cooking a kid in its mother's milk is from; it's from where I cited.

 

You don't seem to know the 10 commandments (or maybe it should be version 10.1)

[evmori]

So, Merlyn, you think Exodus 34 is a 2nd version of the Ten Commandments? Oh boy! And you say I can't learn! And I have no interest where your cooking commandment came from! Apparently it came from you delusions!

 

Ed Mori

Troop 1

1 Peter 4:10

[Merlyn_LeRoy]

Ed, if you have no idea where my cooking commandment came from, you didn't read for comprehension. Try Exodus 34:26 Also see 34:28.

 

[evmori]

Wow! I'm not sure what to say! Merlyn if you think Exodus 34 is another version of the Ten Commandments then I'm not the one with the learning problem! You probably also think the DaVinci Code is fact!

 

Ed Mori

Troop 1

1 Peter 4;10

[Prairie_Scouter]

The DaVince code isn't fact? uh oh.

[Merlyn_LeRoy]

Well Ed, perhaps you could explain what these tablets are ("I will write on them the words that were on the first tablets"), written to replace the ones Moses broke earlier. Are the tablets that were broken earlier referring to the ten commandments? If so, isn't the text saying that these new tablets will have the same words as the previous tablets? If not, what are the earlier tablets that were broken?

 

And in any case, doesn't the bible say these are words written by god for you to obey? So shouldn't admonishments against cooking a kid in its mother's milk be posted in all public buildings? Or are you deciding which commands from god are worth listening to?

[evmori]

The Ten Commandments are written by God, not god. And Exodus 34 is not a list of those commandments.

 

Are the tablets that were broken earlier referring to the ten commandments?

Yes

If so, isn't the text saying that these new tablets will have the same words as the previous tablets?

Yes

If not, what are the earlier tablets that were broken?

They are.

 

Ed Mori

Troop 1

1 Peter 4:10

[Merlyn_LeRoy]

Well Ed, you still aren't reading exodus 34. It calls them commandments, so why aren't you obeying them? I'll boldface some pertinent parts:

 

http://www.usccb.org/nab/bible/exodus/exodus34.htm

 

Exodus

Chapter 34

1

The LORD said to Moses, "Cut two stone tablets like the former, that I may write on them the commandments which were on the former tablets that you broke.

2

Get ready for tomorrow morning, when you are to go up Mount Sinai and there present yourself to me on the top of the mountain.

3

No one shall come up with you, and no one is even to be seen on any part of the mountain; even the flocks and the herds are not to go grazing toward this mountain."

4

Moses then cut two stone tablets like the former, and early the next morning he went up Mount Sinai as the LORD had commanded him, taking along the two stone tablets.

5

Having come down in a cloud, the LORD stood with him there and proclaimed his name, "LORD."

6

Thus the LORD passed before him and cried out, "The LORD, the LORD, a merciful and gracious God, slow to anger and rich in kindness and fidelity,

7

continuing his kindness for a thousand generations, and forgiving wickedness and crime and sin; yet not declaring the guilty guiltless, but punishing children and grandchildren to the third and fourth generation for their fathers' wickedness!"

8

Moses at once bowed down to the ground in worship.

9

Then he said, "If I find favor with you, O Lord, do come along in our company. This is indeed a stiff-necked people; yet pardon our wickedness and sins, and receive us as your own."

10

"Here, then," said the LORD, "is the covenant I will make. Before the eyes of all your people I will work such marvels as have never been wrought in any nation anywhere on earth, so that this people among whom you live may see how awe-inspiring are the deeds which I, the LORD, will do at your side.

11

But you, on your part, must keep the commandments I am giving you today. "I will drive out before you the Amorites, Canaanites, Hittites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites.

12

Take care, therefore, not to make a covenant with these inhabitants of the land that you are to enter; else they will become a snare among you.

13

1 Tear down their altars; smash their sacred pillars, and cut down their sacred poles.

14

2 You shall not worship any other god, for the LORD is 'the Jealous One'; a jealous God is he.

15

Do not make a covenant with the inhabitants of that land; else, when they render their wanton worship to their gods and sacrifice to them, one of them may invite you and you may partake of his sacrifice.

16

Neither shall you take their daughters as wives for your sons; otherwise, when their daughters render their wanton worship to their gods, they will make your sons do the same.

17

"You shall not make for yourselves molten gods.

18

"You shall keep the feast of Unleavened Bread. For seven days at the prescribed time in the month of Abib you are to eat unleavened bread, as I commanded you; for in the month of Abib you came out of Egypt.

19

"To me belongs every first-born male that opens the womb among all your livestock, whether in the herd or in the flock.

20

The firstling of an ass you shall redeem with one of the flock; if you do not redeem it, you must break its neck. The first-born among your sons you shall redeem. "No one shall appear before me empty-handed.

21

"For six days you may work, but on the seventh day you shall rest; on that day you must rest even during the seasons of plowing and harvesting.

22

3 "You shall keep the feast of Weeks with the first of the wheat harvest; likewise, the feast at the fruit harvest at the close of the year.

23

Three times a year all your men shall appear before the Lord, the LORD God of Israel.

24

Since I will drive out the nations before you to give you a large territory, there will be no one to covet your land when you go up three times a year to appear before the LORD, your God.

25

"You shall not offer me the blood of sacrifice with leavened bread, nor shall the sacrifice of the Passover feast be kept overnight for the next day.

26

"The choicest first fruits of your soil you shall bring to the house of the LORD, your God. "You shall not boil a kid in its mother's milk."

27

Then the LORD said to Moses, "Write down these words, for in accordance with them I have made a covenant with you and with Israel."

28

So Moses stayed there with the LORD for forty days and forty nights, without eating any food or drinking any water, and he wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.

29

As Moses came down from Mount Sinai with the two tablets of the commandments in his hands, he did not know that the skin of his face had become radiant while he conversed with the LORD.

30

When Aaron, then, and the other Israelites saw Moses and noticed how radiant the skin of his face had become, they were afraid to come near him.

31

Only after Moses called to them did Aaron and all the rulers of the community come back to him. Moses then spoke to them.

32

Later on, all the Israelites came up to him, and he enjoined on them all that the LORD had told him on Mount Sinai.

33

4 When he finished speaking with them, he put a veil over his face.

34

Whenever Moses entered the presence of the LORD to converse with him, he removed the veil until he came out again. On coming out, he would tell the Israelites all that had been commanded.

35

Then the Israelites would see that the skin of Moses' face was radiant; so he would again put the veil over his face until he went in to converse with the LORD.