evmori Posted December 18, 2005 Share Posted December 18, 2005 Dan, What beliefs would I have to compromise? All of them. Respect to me is like trust. It needs to be earned. Ed Mori Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10 A blessed Christmas to all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanKroh Posted December 18, 2005 Share Posted December 18, 2005 So Ed, then how do you reconcile the fact that as a Scouter, you swear to uphold the Scout Law, which says you should respect the beliefs of others, to the fact that you feel you cannot respect my beliefs without compromising all of your own? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evmori Posted December 18, 2005 Share Posted December 18, 2005 Dan, I respect your beliefs. You are free to believe what you want. I don't agree with them but I don't have to. I don't know you. I have no idea if I should respect you as a person. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt since you are a Scouter, though. Ed Mori Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10 A blessed Christmas to all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevorum Posted December 19, 2005 Share Posted December 19, 2005 I believe that respect is not earned; it can only be lost. Sometimes it can be re-earned. Every person is worthy of respect even if you don't know them. I respect every person unless they have actively given me a reason not to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oak Tree Posted December 19, 2005 Share Posted December 19, 2005 Respect: 1. To feel or show deferential regard for; esteem. 2. To avoid violation of or interference with When I say I will respect the beliefs of others, I'm using meaning #2, which is the way I perceive the Scout law to intend. When I say "respect must be earned", I'm using definition #1. Oak Tree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanKroh Posted December 19, 2005 Share Posted December 19, 2005 Ed says: " Dan, I respect your beliefs." Well, I'm very glad to hear that Ed. However, I am concerned about how quickly you were willing to compromise ALL your beliefs to admit that. I asked: "Ed, could you please specify which of your beliefs you would have to compromise to be respectful of a Pagan Scouter's beliefs?" To which Ed replied: "What beliefs would I have to compromise? All of them." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemperParatus Posted December 19, 2005 Share Posted December 19, 2005 Whether you regard him as Lord or merely a great teacher, Jesus calls you to respect (and love) everyone, even when they offend you, disrespect you, or cause you far worse harm. I can't think of anything more difficult than that...or more liberating of the human spirit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanKroh Posted December 19, 2005 Share Posted December 19, 2005 Nicely said, Semper. And may the spirit of Christmas bring you and yours great joy, blessings, and peace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evmori Posted December 19, 2005 Share Posted December 19, 2005 Whether you regard him as Lord or merely a great teacher, Jesus calls you to respect (and love) everyone, even when they offend you, disrespect you, or cause you far worse harm. We are called to love one another. Love & respect are not the same thing. While I respect everyone's beliefs, I don't agree with everyone's beliefs. Ed Mori Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10 A blessed Christmas to all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoutingagain Posted December 19, 2005 Share Posted December 19, 2005 Since everyone is being so respectful I'm almost hesitant to post this link. However it seemed to fit into this thread the best. It includes a Holiday Greeting from the ACLU. http://news.yahoo.com/s/usatoday/20051219/cm_usatoday/afictionalwaronchristmas;_ylt=AhMPuzOtdMYqSDTa2.dVDYqs0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3YWFzYnA2BHNlYwM3NDI- SA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster7 Posted December 19, 2005 Share Posted December 19, 2005 I agree with Ed. Its important to understand and note the definition of words. While Jesus implores us to love one another, we are not exhorted to accept all people and ideas in high regard. SemperParatus, How do you reconcile - Jesus calls you to respect (and love) everyone, even when they offend you, disrespect you, or cause you far worse harm. As compared to Jesus words in these verses: But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to where he was baptizing, he said to them: "You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the coming wrath? Produce fruit in keeping with repentance. Matthew 3:6-8 Did Jesus respect these men? Or these verses: Whatever house you enter, stay there until you leave that town. If people do not welcome you, shake the dust off your feet when you leave their town, as a testimony against them. So they set out and went from village to village, preaching the gospel and healing people everywhere. Luke 9:4-6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SR540Beaver Posted December 19, 2005 Share Posted December 19, 2005 Ed and Rooster, You are right, it is important to understand the meaning of words or sentences. I think you guys are viewing "respect" as accepting other people's beliefs that are contray to yours. I think the actual intent is to respect the person's "right to believe" what they want, not "what they believe". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemperParatus Posted December 19, 2005 Share Posted December 19, 2005 Respect...as in holding each other in esteem as a fellow human and child of God - not in whether or not we agree with another's words, thoughts or actions. I don't think it is possible to love if this broader concept of respect is lacking. R7, Jesus died for the Pharisees and Sadducees and you and me, all the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwd-scouter Posted December 19, 2005 Share Posted December 19, 2005 Just received a card today. Not quite sure what to make of it.... Says "Season's Greetings" below a painting of the Nativity Scene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster7 Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 SemperParatus, I believe Jesus died for all men. But not all men will receive Jesus. With that said, Im not sure what your point is concerning the Pharisees and Sadducees. He certainly did not respect them. 32"Whoever acknowledges me before men, I will also acknowledge him before my Father in heaven. 33But whoever disowns me before men, I will disown him before my Father in heaven. 34"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35For I have come to turn " 'a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her motherinlaw 36a man's enemies will be the members of his own household.' 37"Anyone who loves his father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves his son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me; 38and anyone who does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me. 39Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it. Matthew 10:32-39 Perhaps I am alone in my thinking, but Jesus does not seem to be saying, Say, do, and believe as you please, I will still respect you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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