war on Christmas

[OldGreyEagle]

I am not sure if indeed Christians feel the need to be persecuted as much as they are, bold statement but I would like to know why:

 

Madonna becomes entrenched in Kabbalah, says she feels so spiritual and at peace and people fawm over her as if she won the Nobel Peace prize

 

Tom Cruise throws Psychology under the bus on TV because he has studied Scientology and people stand back and admire his passion for his beliefs.

 

Mel Gibson makes the Pasion of the Christ and is seen as a right wing religious nut making a film for a sliver audience and HOllywood is amazed it makes big bucks.

 

The prophet Mohammaed is cartoonized in European newspapers and American newspapers say they wont reprint them in the US due to issues over religious sensitivity, Althouh they had no problem showing pictures of a crucifix in a jar of urine.

 

Yes, I think Christians are persecuted

[Bobanon]

Right you are about entertainment types. Especially Madonna and Tom Cruise. Madonna ........... volumnes on her classlessness. Tom Cruise and Scientology, now that is funny. Scientology; a religious philosophy made up by a b-grade science fiction writer. Cruise and others are shelling out big bucks to Scientology which is nothing more than a scam. Funny "ain't it! Scientology is proof positive of P.T. Barnum's "there's a sucker born every minute".

 

Anyone that gives entertainment people any credibility for being anything other than shallow are themselves even more shallow than the enterainer(s). Oh, for the days when prostitution was a higher thought of professeion than the theater.

 

I for the life of me cannot understand the infatuation with the rich and famous. This does not say much for our society.

 

On the subject of religion. Religion should be a personal experience, and not one to wear on one's sleeve. That at best is hypocritical, and at worst leads to a society like those in the mid east. And let's face facts, there is a portion of our own society that would like to turn the U.S. into a xtian based theocracy. Freedom of religion means freedom of and from religion. It is all up to the individual to decide. Certainly not the state's right to decide or force.

[Merlyn_LeRoy]

OGE, here's a parody written by someone a few years ago (not by me). Note that all the "fake" reasons have real-world examples, all against atheists, which is why I hardly have any sympathy for your position that Christians are being persecuted in the US.

 

http://laterralane.com/siems/antichristianbias.htm

 

The anti-Christian bias in our society has reached absurd proportions. Consider:

1. During the 1988 election campaign, George Bush said that Christians should not be considered patriots or real American citizens.

 

2. Bill Clinton steadfastly refused to give any speeches at local churches.

 

3. Both major political parties are dominated by anti-Christians. The Republican party, for example, gave us such hard-core atheists as Pat Buchanan, Dan Quayle, Phyllis Schlafly and Ronald Reagan. And the Democrats have given us such personalities as the Rev. Martin Luther King and the Rev. Jesse Jackson-- both noted for their vicious attacks on all forms of Christianity.

 

4. Let's talk about the media. On Sunday mornings, nearly all major television channels broadcast pro-atheist shows; it is nearly impossible to find religious programming during that time period. Further, Madalyn Murray O'Hair has her own cable TV channel, while Pat Robertson has been unable to obtain one for himself.

 

5. Most major newspapers run a special weekly section devoted to atheism. There are no equivalent sections for religious news.

 

6. Anti-Christian shows such as the American Atheist Forum are broadcast by major national networks. Meanwhile, Billy Graham is only able to get on the air through public access TV, which is watched by few people.

 

7. On news programs and "reality" TV shows such as Rescue 911, nobody is ever shown giving thanks to God after surviving a disaster.

 

8. It is almost impossible to find a shopping mall with a Christian Armory book store, while Atheist Book Centers are featured prominently on every corner.

 

9. While atheists couples who marry rarely have any difficulty finding a place to do so, it is nearly impossible for Christian couples to find a church where they can marry.

 

10. For that matter, churches themselves are extremely rare, while atheist meeting centers can be found every few blocks.

 

11. Jurors must take an oath upon a copy of the Skeptical Inquirer before they can serve. There have even been court cases thrown out because one of the jury members was a Christian who insisted on swearing on a Bible.

 

12. Christians often find it nearly impossible to get time off work for religious holidays such as Christmas.

 

13. Even our language reflects the radical anti-Christian bias that pervades our society. For example, when somebody sneezes, most people say "Darwin bless you". Similarly, "Voltaire dammit!" is a common cussword.

 

14. All of our money has the atheistic slogan "We do not trust in God" printed on it.

 

15. In school, our children are made to recite the pledge, "One nation, anti-God, indivisible...."

 

16. One cannot rent a hotel room without finding a copy of Nietzsche's The Anti-Christ in the room.

 

17. Organizations such as the Boy Scouts deny membership to Christians.

 

18. In the military, it is nearly impossible to obtain Conscientious Objector status for religious reasons, even though those with philosophical reasons can obtain C.O. status relatively easily.

 

19. Christian churches are forced to pay exorbitant taxes.

 

20. You can't drive anywhere without seeing a Darwin fish or a "Jesus Was A Fraud" bumper sticker stuck to a car.

 

21. Georgia recently passed a new law requiring schools to have a "moment of noise" during which children are encouraged to degrade Christianity.

 

22. College campuses usually have dozens of atheist organizations, but few if any for Christians.

 

23. Many Christians are afraid to admit their Christianity to their parents and friends, for fear their kin will consider them immoral Christian scum and want nothing to do with them.

 

24. At presidential inauguration ceremonies, Madalyn Murray-O'Hair (that well-known friend of several presidents) gives a short pro-atheism speech.

 

25. For decades, high school and college commencement ceremonies have included brief speeches at the beginning and end of the ceremony in which atheism is praised and Christians deemed irrational. Christians who object to the practice, or who ask for an opening prayer instead, are regarded as cranks at best and subversives at worst.

 

26. "There are no Christians in foxholes" is a popular slogan in our society.

 

27. Communities set up atheist brainwashing facilities, and apply social pressure to citizens to report to these facilities every Sunday morning. Furthermore, attendees are expected to contribute money to support these facilities, and to build others through "outreach" programs.

 

28. At baseball games, you can often spot people carrying signs that read "Origin Of Species, page 34".

 

29. Businesses often refuse to admit that they are Christian owned and operated, for fear of being boycotted by their atheist customers. Meanwhile, atheist-owned businesses often feature Darwin-fish logos in their ads.

 

30. Atheists have often invented "deathbed deconversion" stories about famous Christians, claiming they became atheists just before they died.

 

31. Insurance companies refer to natural disasters as "Acts of Darwin".

 

32. Forms for job applications, government aid and so forth often ask what type of atheist you are, with checkboxes for "atheist", "agnostic", "humanist" and so forth. If you are a Christian, the only thing you can do is check the "other" box-- if one is provided.

 

33. Sports teams often read from the Humanist Manifesto prior to the game, in the hopes that doing so will increase their chances of winning.

 

34. Atheists constantly threaten television and movies producers with boycotts whenever they portray Christianity in a positive light.

 

35. Well-known atheists like Michael Martin and Quentin Smith have set up ministries to witness to Christians, but it is virtually impossible to find Christians who specialize in debating atheists.

 

36. The word "Christian" is recognized as a term which represents the worst of human attributes: cynicism, pessimism, selfishness, and moral turpitude. The word "Atheist," on the other hand, is used to signify all that is virtuous, as in, "That's mighty Atheist of you!"

 

37. On sitcoms and movies of the week, the parents make references to how their lack of faith in God helps them get through life's troubles. Meanwhile, Christians are portrayed as pathetic folks who end up converting to atheism.

 

38. Atheists who convert to christianity are often told by their parents "It's just a rebellious phase. Once you move through this stage of life you'll realize that you never really believed in God." Similarly, people who are raised as Christians are condesended to, and told that if they would give atheism a chance, it would fill the empty hole that Chistianity must be leaving in their lives.

 

39. Most people assume everyone else is an Atheist and are unbelievers as they are. It makes for uncomfortable social situations for Christians and other religious types.

 

40. Despite the overwhelming number of Atheists in the general population and in powerful legislative positions, when they don't get their own way, Atheists whine that this is an anti-Atheistic country.

 

41. Atheists constantly cite, out of context, books of philosophy by noted Atheists to prove that Christians live irrational lives.

 

42. Atheists do everything possible to get laws passed that will prevent irrational Christians from making their own choices in matters of sex, procreation, life-styles, family units, etc.

 

43. In small towns and communities all over the U.S. Atheist horns awake Christians at midnight on Saturdays preventing them from getting a good night's sleep before their Sabbath. Fortunately for much of the population, few church bells wake Atheists who want to sleep in on Sundays.

 

44. Atheist Army (and other Freethought) soup kitchens force homeless Christians to listen to Atheist propaganda before serving them a meal.

 

45. Hundreds of self-help groups replace codependence with the 12 Steps of A.B.A. (Atheist Brainwashing Anonymous), convincing people they don't have the power to help themselves but must rely on the power of Darwin to overcome addiction.

 

46. U.S. Atheist organizations send missionaries to underdeveloped countries to convince people to renounce long-held local religious beliefs and become Atheists.

 

47. All prisons have a resident atheist philosopher, and inmates are encouraged to participate in weekly philophical dicussions on Bible Contradictions. This is often reported to parole board, who consider it a good indication of contritenes on the prisoner's part.

 

48. A political candidate who declares himself a Christian will have far less chance of winning an election than one who flaunts his atheism.

 

49. Whenever an atheist commits a crime, invariably people will argue that this is not a sign that teaching atheism might not guarantee a better society, because anyone who would act that way "isn't a true atheist."

 

50. One often sees bumper stickers like, "Thomas Paine said it, I believe it, that settles it," but seldom sees Christian bumper stickers.

 

From Scientific Paganism list...think about it Christians...if this list were real how would you feel?