SSScout Posted February 16, 2006 Share Posted February 16, 2006 Flag burning is , I seem to hear , either a very extreme form of protest or an extreme form of respect, depending on the context. And context is always an important consideration in making a judgement. Question: What sort of person (that is to say, why) would not recite the "Pledge of Allegiance" during the usual flag ceremony? And how would you react to such? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lisabob Posted February 16, 2006 Share Posted February 16, 2006 There are a variety of reasons why someone might choose not to recite the pledge. 1. religious reasons - some groups believe that it is improper to recite a loyalty oath (and that's really what the pledge is) that appears to put fealty to country on par with fealty to G-d. 2. other religious reasons - some people object to the "under G-d" portion of the pledge, as currently written, and choose to either stay silent for those two words, or not to say the pledge at all. 3. citizens of other countries who are part of a US scout group. Lisa'bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lisabob Posted February 16, 2006 Share Posted February 16, 2006 And how would I react? Quite simply, I probably would not as long as the people in question were respectful of those who were reciting the pledge. I'm proud of my flag and my country. But if other people feel it is inappropriate for them personally to recite the pledge then that's their business. Attempts to compel speech, by peer pressure, ridicule, or harrassment, are likely to fail, both in form and substance. Lisa'bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evmori Posted February 17, 2006 Share Posted February 17, 2006 The word is God not G-d! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Novice_Cubmaster Posted February 17, 2006 Share Posted February 17, 2006 Ed, It is a common Jewish tradition (and may be in other religions as well) NOT to put the word "G" "O" "D" on a mundane document, or a document that might be handled or disposed of in an irreverent manner. It's the written equivalent of not taking the Lord's name in vain. NC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GernBlansten Posted February 17, 2006 Share Posted February 17, 2006 Reminds me of the scene from Monty Python's Life Of Brian where they want to stone fellow because he utter the word Jehovah. When they challenge him for saying it, they end up uttering it and get stoned. Pretty funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Novice_Cubmaster Posted February 17, 2006 Share Posted February 17, 2006 Gern, One of my favorite flicks. Unlike so many things I laughed at in my youth, Monty Python is still funny. And thank goodness we have a constitutional right to show & see things like Life of Brian. NC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packsaddle Posted February 17, 2006 Share Posted February 17, 2006 Come on now, it hasn't been THAT long ago for 'Life of Brian'. I remember well the religious faction protesting the movie, trying to keep it away from our area. One scene that struck me was the one where the alien space craft whisked him away for a short flight just before they crashed in the same area as all the crackpot prophets. The people didn't even seem to notice the aliens but instead remained focused on the crackpots. Close to real life in some ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evmori Posted February 17, 2006 Share Posted February 17, 2006 Novice, Thanks for the info but the word is still God not G-d. G-d is taking the Lord's name in vain more than using God! Ed Mori Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldGreyEagle Posted February 17, 2006 Share Posted February 17, 2006 I love the first amendment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GernBlansten Posted February 17, 2006 Share Posted February 17, 2006 Jehovah! Ouch! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevorum Posted February 17, 2006 Author Share Posted February 17, 2006 I don't know from which Hebrew word "God" is transcribed, but in English, isn't the word "God" a title and not a name? If I recall, there are many, many names for the Judeo-Christian-Islamic deity, such as Adonai, YHWH, Jehovah, (and dozens of others) not to mention later appelations such as Allah. Maybe someone else knows more about this...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packsaddle Posted February 17, 2006 Share Posted February 17, 2006 I just typed in god.com and a rather unsophisticated site came up. Then jehova.org came up for sale and jehova.com was still under construction, probably after many more than six days - but spelling it correctly by adding the 'h' came up with the Jehovah's Witnesses. Yaweh.com also led me to the Jehovah's Witnesses. Just putting a little modern varnish on the old idea... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lisabob Posted February 17, 2006 Share Posted February 17, 2006 Thanks for that clarification Ed, 'cause I can see that nobody would have had the foggiest notion about whom or what I was talking otherwise... FWIW I am not Jewish but I was raised to believe that one should not spell out the full name (or title or whatever) of the higher being to whom we are most likely referring here. This, I was taught, was a sign of respect as well as an indication that mere mortal humans cannot possibly know the nature of our deity. You may or may not buy that and I really don't have a problem with your view Ed (and anybody else). But you may find that deeply religious people come to different conclusions and I hardly think it is productive to berate them for not taking your view on the matter. Lisa'bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evmori Posted February 17, 2006 Share Posted February 17, 2006 I feel it is more disrespectful to us G-d than God, L-sa. Usually, words vulgarity is depicted that way in forums and I don't consider God a vulgar word. How would you spell Jesus? Holy Spirit? Ed Mori Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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