Trevorum Posted August 18, 2005 Share Posted August 18, 2005 OK, how about a 'dillo and a nutria? I'll even throw in a couple of skunks and a squirrel or two. Say, you wouldn't have a black-footed ferret, would you? I hear they're hard to find ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stlscouter Posted August 18, 2005 Share Posted August 18, 2005 'dillos and possums are even-neither one seems to able to make it across the road. (religion)Is it a matter of the quick and the dead? By the way I've had a large rock in my side yard for many years and this past winter it cracked in half-does that mean it is starting to evolve? I always thought things devolved into a simplier state and not to a mmore complex one. Am I misinformed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevorum Posted August 19, 2005 Share Posted August 19, 2005 "Am I misinformed?" Yes. Rocks don't evolve. They erode. Come back in 1,000 years and the rock will be a handful of pebbles scattered downslopes, some sand downstream, and fine dust blown the world over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packsaddle Posted August 19, 2005 Share Posted August 19, 2005 The 'quick and the dead'? I have a suspicion that is an old one but I've never heard of it before, good one too. Around here we feed nutria to the alligators...nice crunching sounds. And speaking of rocks, maybe paleontology AND archeology can be merged with Geology MB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evmori Posted August 19, 2005 Share Posted August 19, 2005 "Th Quick and the Dead" Great western with Sharon Stone, Leo DiCapro & Gene Hackman! Set in the town of Redemption! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stlscouter Posted August 19, 2005 Share Posted August 19, 2005 quick as in quickening (bibical)-a first stirring in mothers womb-archaic as in the Apostle's Creed ..to judge the quick and the dead (living) Does that mean that the oxygen, hydrogen, silica, iron, nitrogen et al in the rock are somehow diffrent than the oxygen, hydrogen, silica, iron, nitrogen et al in the human body? Do dead bodies erode? My old live body doesn't do what it once did is it evolving or eroding? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevorum Posted August 20, 2005 Share Posted August 20, 2005 No. Technically yes, but more precisely, 'decompose'. Neither; you're just getting old. Are you pulling my chain or were you really asleep in high school science class? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stlscouter Posted August 20, 2005 Share Posted August 20, 2005 so there's a design difference between the stuff my body is made of and the stuff he rock is made of? How do they know which one they are? By random occurance or by some other process? It is possible to work the scientific method to explain the process of rock eroding into sand or as evidence that "someone" wanted a beach for an ocean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firstpusk Posted August 20, 2005 Share Posted August 20, 2005 "My old live body doesn't do what it once did is it evolving or eroding?" Neither. Evolution occurs at the level of populations and natural selection acts upon the differences in the population. "so there's a design difference between the stuff my body is made of and the stuff he rock is made of? How do they know which one they are? By random occurance or by some other process?" Same stuff, just organized differently. "It is possible to work the scientific method to explain the process of rock eroding into sand or as evidence that "someone" wanted a beach for an ocean." If you buy that, I am sure that we can find some sharpy willing to sell you "beach front" property, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stlscouter Posted August 20, 2005 Share Posted August 20, 2005 so then evolution theory is so small in scope that there is no room for a larger context? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevorum Posted August 21, 2005 Share Posted August 21, 2005 LOL! so its both yanking our chain AND asleep in high school science class! Say, have you heard about this great new theory, "Intelligent Falling" that refutes the problematic theory of gravity? http://www.theonion.com/news/index.php?issue=4133&n=2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firstpusk Posted August 21, 2005 Share Posted August 21, 2005 "so then evolution theory is so small in scope that there is no room for a larger context?" Evolution is the theory which explains the development and diversity of life on earth. One can not use evolution to explain erosion or beach formation. One can not say that an individual in a population evolves. However, our understanding that the earth is ancient and evidence that life has been around for most of that period allows for a context large enough. Geological methods are critical to informing evolutionary theory. The obvious great age of the earth was one of the critical problems that creationists like Lyell and the young Darwin faced. Uniformitarianism in geology and evolution in biology made sense of that extremely old earth. The understanding of both men helped science to move beyond Biblical explanations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stlscouter Posted August 21, 2005 Share Posted August 21, 2005 and so this is the definitive example of the chaos theory-taking a whole lot of something and letting it degenerate into nothing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stlscouter Posted August 21, 2005 Share Posted August 21, 2005 trevorum-firstpusk- glad you're having LOL but, while you're laughing, put the small concept of evolution, add string theory, why time goes in one direction only, wave/particle properties of light, gravity, Laws of thermodynamics, how can there be as many as 9 different dimensions, sigularities(black holes) and put them into one sigular convient package-Call it the Theory of Everything-an advancement on the unified theory-Mr. Hawkings and I can hardly wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packsaddle Posted August 21, 2005 Share Posted August 21, 2005 Not the theory...but chaos is certainly happening in this thread, at least certain parts of it. While firstpusk and trevorum have offered some correct and reasonable messages, they seem not to have been understood. While I think it is admirable that some of us desire to provide some basic science education, I sense resistance by stlscouter. Back to the subject perhaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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