Bill O'reilly - American Legion -- >supporting the Scouts vs ACLU

[VentureScoutNY]

 

Tonight on the Bill O'reilly show the issue of the Pentagon not standing up for the Scouts is hot. He had an representative for the American Legion on his show and the American Legion has sent letters to the Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld and both houses of Congress to stand up for the Scouts on the issue of US military Bases not sponsoring Scouting untis.

 

He will be discussing at the end of the program more about the issue, tune in! FOX News Channel

 

YIS

[hops_scout]

I think Bill is great! I really think he's gonna push this one hard.

[JimmyD]

Very glad about BIll and the American Legion.

[NJCubScouter]

So this is a campaign to try to get the government to reverse its decision to follow the Constitution? I always thought it was a good thing when the government follows the Constitution. But I guess some people think the Constitution is only a good thing when it favors them, or the things they like.

[WAKWIB]

Based on what I've seen coming from the ACLU over the last 20-30 years, I do not think that they give a rip about the Constitution. Just my humble opinion.

[evmori]

It would be nice if the ACLU defended the Constitution. However, I don't see where the violation is! Sounds like a vendetta to me!

 

Thanks for your support, Bill!

 

Ed Mori

Troop 1

1 Peter 4:10

[LovetoCamp]

The ACLU is nothing more than Legal Terrorists. It's ranks filled by communist wannabees, formed to break down our country one rotten lawsuit at a time. With targets like Christmas and Boy Scouts, they don't come any lower.

[EagleInKY]

Bill had a good interview. I hope the debate continues. Unfortunately, most of the "mainstream" media won't cover it.

 

Interestingly, on last night's show, Bill had a few e-mails relating to the issue. Nearly always, when he reads e-mails, he bounces back and forth between negative and positive letters. (I commend him for including the voices of those who differ from his views.) However, on the scout issue, there were no opposition e-mails read. I wonder if it was that one-sided? I bet it was.

[OldGreyEagle]

"The ACLU is nothing more than Legal Terrorists. It's ranks filled by communist wannabees, formed to break down our country one rotten lawsuit at a time. With targets like Christmas and Boy Scouts, they don't come any lower."

 

Pounder while I may agree with some of the above, the ACLU does not decide the lawsuits they file, judges do. Its not the ACLU that changes things, its the Courts. We waste time talking down the ACLU while we should be working on fixing the judicial system

 

 

[LovetoCamp]

The judge problem should start getting fixed, let's say around January 20th!!!

 

 

 

Revealing FACTS on the ACLU

from its own writings

by Diane Dew

 

Ever notice how the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) seems to take on only cases that are anti-Christian - pro-sodomy, pro-abortion, anti-family, pro-pornography, pro-prostitution, pro-euthanasia, pro-homosexual, pro-infanticide, pro-crime, pro-humanism, anti-God -- and, except for atheism, anti-religion?

 

It calls itself the American Civil Liberties Union, but the ACLU is not American; it is uncivil (to the unborn, which are shredded mercilessly to pieces without anesthetic); and it knows nothing of true liberty, which can only be found in Jesus Christ, when one is set free from the bondage of all the SIN this evil organization PROMOTES!

 

Stated Goals

 

The ACLU's founder, Roger Baldwin, stated: "We are for SOCIALISM, disarmament, and ultimately for abolishing the state itself... We seek the social ownership of property, the abolition of the propertied class, and the SOLE CONTROL of those who produce wealth. COMMUNISM is the goal." (Source: Trial and Error, by Geo. Grant)

 

The ACLU is destructive to the fabric of our society. Christians must recognize Satan as the source - the instigator - when the end results of an organization's efforts are only "to kill, to steal, and to destroy." All we need to is examine the (rotten) fruit.

 

Following are some of the stated goals of the ACLU, from its own published Policy Issues:

 

*the legalization of prostitution (Policy 211);

*the defense of all pornography, including CHILD PORN, as "free speech" (Policy 4);

*the decriminalization and legalization of all drugs (Policy 210);

*the promotion of homosexuality (Policy 264);

*the opposition of rating of music and movies (Policy 18);

*opposition against parental consent of minors seeking abortion (Policy 262);

*opposition of informed consent preceding abortion procedures (Policy 263);

*opposition of spousal consent preceding abortion (Policy 262);

*opposition of parental choice in children's education (Policy 80)

 

-- not to mention the defense and promotion of euthanasia, polygamy, government control of church institutions, gun control, tax-funded abortion, birth limitation, etc. (Policies 263, 133, 402, 47, 261, 323, 271, 91, 85).

[nldscout]

The ironic thing about this whole issue is if an Army unit is directly sponsoring a scout troop or any other group like this they are already violating Army Regulations. The army issued its own regulation several years ago saying units were not allowed to directly sponor any activities like sscouts or anyone else. Supporting them are fine, but you cannot enter into a written sponsorship agreement. This was done because commanders were mandating that certain underlings support groups that they may not have wanted to by forcing them to volunteer thier time.

 

So all we have done here for the Army is enforce what rules it already has. For those who have never been asscoiated with the military longterm, its a unique thing. Most military people will look at this and say "So What's the big deal", Then they will form a group, tranfer the charter and go on with life. Alittle bump in the road like this is so insignificant with all thats going on in thier life, this is not a big deal.

[NJCubScouter]

Good grief. When I read some of the things in this thread, I can only shake my head in wonder. If I said some corresponding things on the "other side" I'd be hearing talk of "black helicopters."

 

Don't some of the things listed in TP's post (quoted from an article by someone else) seem at all suspicious to anyone here? Does anyone really believe the ACLU favors "government control of church institutions"? Look at their web site, as I just did, look up their positions on freedom of religion, and you will find they favor the exact opposite. As for "promotion of homosexuality," they don't think gays should be discriminated against, it's hardly an extremist position, it has been adopted as public policy by a number of states. Some of the other things I personally agree with the ACLU, some I don't (like child pornography, I know what their position is (or was 20 years ago, anyway) and understand their reasoning, but I don't agree with it. None of it makes them "Satan." Frankly I doubt the founder of the ACLU was really a Communist, and I did a search on that quotation and found that it is repeated on so many sites on the Internet, I have to wonder whether he said it at all. But let's say he was, it doesn't change the fact that the ACLU today stands up for freedom.

 

And the bottom line is, whatever the ACLU believes, it is THEIR OPINION. Are they "Satan" for having an opinion?

[fgoodwin]

OGE writes:Pounder while I may agree with some of the above, the ACLU does not decide the lawsuits they file, judges do. Its not the ACLU that changes things, its the Courts. We waste time talking down the ACLU while we should be working on fixing the judicial systemOf course the judges decide, not the ACLU, but as has been pointed out many times over, there would be nothing for the judges to decide were it not for the ACLU constantly looking for cases to bring against BSA and anyone else who dares to support BSA.

 

If ACLU weren't out looking to pick a fight with BSA, then there would be nothing to decide and the status quo would reign.

 

So yes, the fault lies squarely with the ACLU, although in this particular case, the Pentagon caved before the case ever got to a decision. I think that is what's got people so upset. And its perfectly within our Constitutional rights to ask the Secretary of Defense to overturn this decision.

 

Fred Goodwin

Alamo Area Council

[fgoodwin]

NJCubScouter writes:So this is a campaign to try to get the government to reverse its decision to follow the Constitution? I always thought it was a good thing when the government follows the Constitution. But I guess some people think the Constitution is only a good thing when it favors them, or the things they like.And pray, where might I ask does the Constitution prohibit DoD sponsorship of Boy Scout Troops?

 

Fred Goodwin

Alamo Area Council

[acco40]

You can ask your dog to overturn the decision if you want - it is your right. However, Rumsfeld has told the "green suiters" where to go too many times already so I don't think he wants to waste too much political capital on this.