Zahnada Posted May 18, 2004 Share Posted May 18, 2004 Trail Pounder said, "The Nazis killed 6 million Jews & 20 million Russians. Saddam tok videos of blindfolded prisoners being tossed from two story buildings, the taliban hung young mother by the neck from soccer goals. Our guards let us all down, but they didn't kill anyone, heck, they didn't even hurt anyone, they just acted very poorly and made a bunch of murdering terrorist scum play a little naked twister. They should be sent back to their trailer park with a dishonorable discharge and that's all." I'd just like to say that these were prisoners of war and not "murdering terrorist scum." Not every Arab is a terrorist and murderer. Not every Arab who hates America is a terrorist and murderer. As for the references to Nazis and Saddam's regime, I don't want our country and our military held comparable to their standards at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packsaddle Posted May 18, 2004 Share Posted May 18, 2004 Zahnada, I agree with your response. I seem to remember that most (up to 90%) of those prisoners were innocent, many taken by mistake, and that most of the few real terrorists were being held at other facilities. I also wonder what the quip about "their trailer park" meant? Was that also intended to be a pejorative reference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firstpusk Posted May 18, 2004 Share Posted May 18, 2004 "As for the references to Nazis and Saddam's regime, I don't want our country and our military held comparable to their standards at all." I agree and am a bit baffled by the "outrage at the outrage" position. I don't want Saddam Hussein to be the standard by which American conduct is judged. Just because the previous regime in Iraq was tremendously abusive does not mean we should look the other way when our people abuse. I thought we were there to teach about democracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Old Guy Posted May 18, 2004 Share Posted May 18, 2004 " I also wonder what the quip about "their trailer park" meant?" I assumed that he means that enlisted personnel are "trailer trash." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LovetoCamp Posted May 18, 2004 Share Posted May 18, 2004 I assumed that he means that enlisted personnel are "trailer trash." Yeah, real funny smart guy. Remember when you assume, FOG, well, it's just you. A female soldier making porn movies on the floor of a prison with multiple partners.....trailer trash would be a compliment. There is no comparison on the other. 90% innocent? Are you kidding? You must have the entire Michael Moore DVD collection underneath your pillows. Innocent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packsaddle Posted May 18, 2004 Share Posted May 18, 2004 There is a Michael Moore DVD collection? Actually I saw this in the Financial Times but it originally came from an ICRC (Red Cross) report that 70-90% of detainees were "arrested by mistake". You can find this in a large number of news sources but they all come from the same confidential report that was leaked to the media. In the report the ICRC cited military intelligence officers as the authority for the estimate of 'accidental' arrests. Michael will probably use this but he had nothing to do with its disclosure. Here's a familiar source for your reading pleasure: http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/05/10/red.cross.report/(This message has been edited by packsaddle) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packsaddle Posted May 18, 2004 Share Posted May 18, 2004 I was still wondering about that quip, though. And if the really funny smart guy is wrong, please tell us honestly what you did mean. Otherwise the remainder of your response indicates that you think those soldiers are even lower than his interpretation of what you meant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SR540Beaver Posted May 18, 2004 Share Posted May 18, 2004 Somehow I have my doubts that the 70 year old grandmother who was made to crawl on her hands and knees and be ridden like a donkey was a terrorist. I could be wrong....it has been known to happen. But I doubt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LovetoCamp Posted May 18, 2004 Share Posted May 18, 2004 No need to keep wondering, I don't think very highly of them. But, to you on the extreme left, they're like a Godsend, eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LovetoCamp Posted May 18, 2004 Share Posted May 18, 2004 "Somehow I have my doubts that the 70 year old grandmother who was made to crawl on her hands and knees and be ridden like a donkey was a terrorist." This would be from the same Globe newspaper that published the fake pictures. Incredible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packsaddle Posted May 19, 2004 Share Posted May 19, 2004 I guess that's as clear as you can make it. I try to reject prejudice in its various forms because prejudice is destructive and often accompanies and is the result of self-deception. I thought I detected something in your post and unless I have misinterpreted your last responses, you have confirmed my suspicion. Some of the boys in this troop and their families live in mobile homes. They are of modest means and they know it. But scouting is a level field in this aspect. In the uniform they are indistinguishable from the boy whose father owns the property they rent. Every one of them has an equal opportunity to learn, advance, and have fun. I respect any boy that puts forth the effort to succeed and does it honestly. I also respect those families that support his efforts. The house in which they live is not important to me. The home is. If my rejection of prejudice causes you to label me, 'extreme left' then so be it. Dismissing someone by applying a label is a poor substitute for a carefully crafted and articulated idea. But that's your choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SR540Beaver Posted May 19, 2004 Share Posted May 19, 2004 TP, I read it on the Fox News website. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firstpusk Posted May 19, 2004 Share Posted May 19, 2004 "I read it on the Fox News website." Darn leftists... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LovetoCamp Posted May 19, 2004 Share Posted May 19, 2004 That's a heck of a stretch, equating this unbecoming female private and her actions with boys in your troop. How you got there, who knows. You can twist and spin all you want, that's on you. Articulate and well-crafted is certainly not a definition of your post. If people critisize Jesse Jackson, than they're a horrible racist; if someone critisizes homos, than must be a homophobe; nothing but worthless blather. Having lived in rural Georgia for several years, I would agree that a nice mobile home would be much more accomodating than many of the corrigated tin and plywood shacks that I drove past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Old Guy Posted May 19, 2004 Share Posted May 19, 2004 "Yeah, real funny smart guy. Remember when you assume, FOG, well, it's just you." So what is it that you mean? I'm not the one making disparaging comments about enlisteds and trailers. As for having the Michael Moore DVD collection, you really haven't picked up too much about me have you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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