ASM1 Posted February 18, 2003 Share Posted February 18, 2003 And that is exactly what I expected your response to be. ASM1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASM1 Posted February 18, 2003 Share Posted February 18, 2003 Probably why they hate us so much! How many of you Americans like to be controlled? http://www.whitestruggle.net/bushallegiance.html The lack of knowledge allows it to happen. PAY ATTENTION! ASM1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASM1 Posted February 18, 2003 Share Posted February 18, 2003 I beleive my next post will be my exit from Scouting. Not because I fear the program is faulty, but because I fear I will be ridiculed and run out of scouting for beleiving that my President is not my Fuher. I love Scouting and think it the best youth program on the face of the Earth. But the "volunteers" have taken over. So long folks, I wish all of you TRUE scouters the very best. ASM1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASM1 Posted February 18, 2003 Share Posted February 18, 2003 I'm sorry. After re-reading it, I just could not post it. My family's safety comes first. But I have made a lot of ememies here, and in my home district and I exit just the same. There is one who I will deal with on a professional scouting level before I leave the program. God Bless all of you. ASM1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASM1 Posted February 18, 2003 Share Posted February 18, 2003 It doesn't matter. Good bye folks, I wish you all the best. Free speach has no meaning anymore. _____________________________________________________________________ More than 10 million people demonstrated between Feb. 14 and Feb. 16 in 603 cities worldwide against the WAR on IRAQ. 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SR540Beaver Posted February 18, 2003 Share Posted February 18, 2003 ASM1, With all due respect......double your dosage and call your doctor ASAP! PS Before you accuse people of calling the President der Furher, do you realize that the website you listed previously in support of your views is from a neo-Nazi organization. Bizarre! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zahnada Posted February 18, 2003 Share Posted February 18, 2003 I don't want to see any more comparisons between Hitler and anyone. I've seen Bush compared to Hitler and Saddam compared to Hitler. Such comparisons are ALWAYS faulty. Anyone can be compared to Hitler, but it never proves anything. "Gee, Hitler was a great motivator. And Ghandi was a great motivator. Ghandi is like Hitler." The typical comparison to Nazis goes like this, "Person X has this trait, Hitler has that trait, Hitler was leader of the Nazis, Nazis are evil, Person X is evil." Where is the discussion? We all know that Hitler and Nazis are bad. There's only one Hitler. I'm sorry if this strays from topic, but I feel that Hitler and what he did should stand alone in history. Let's not use him and everything he did as a means to categorize people as "good" or "evil." Hitler analogies always have a logical fallacy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASM1 Posted February 22, 2003 Share Posted February 22, 2003 kwc57, your last post is false, you know it is false, and I am offended by your attempt to deminish the truth. ASM1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixote Posted February 22, 2003 Share Posted February 22, 2003 Oh, my gawd....Oh My Gawd....OH MY GAWD.....IT'S THE BLACK HELICOPTERS - THEY'RE COMING FOR ME......AND PRESIDENT BUSH AND SATAN ARE FLYING IT... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SR540Beaver Posted February 22, 2003 Share Posted February 22, 2003 ASM1, This may not be very scoutlike.....but I don't give a flying rip if I offended you with the TRUTH! What I said is not false. Your post contains a link to "whitestruggle.net". Take a look at the site for yourself, not just the one single page you pulled from it concerning Bush. It is a white supremist, anti-semitic website. My Dad was a WWII US Marine veteran who took part in the defeat of the Nazi's. Don't bring that junk around scouts. Like I said, double you dosage and call your doctor. I suppose I could give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that someone sent you this link and you never looked beneath it to see where it was coming from. Even so, I question your judgement and opinions to use junk like this straight off of the internet and consider it to be more truthful than professional journalists who actually have to substantiate their stories before editors allow it to be printed. All you've accomplished is showing how niave and gullible you are. Open your eyes and do a little research first.(This message has been edited by kwc57) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hops_scout Posted February 22, 2003 Share Posted February 22, 2003 I think that if we go to war with Iraq, it will be for the best. I think Bush has enough sense (and then some) to wait until he knows it is time. He also wont pull out like Clinton did from Somalia. Clinton could risk almost two hundred lives one day, but the very next pull them out of there. 18 American Rangers were killed in the city, with another 70 some wounded. I think Bush will not allow it to happen that so many people are killed or wounded and then just pull them right out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zahnada Posted February 23, 2003 Share Posted February 23, 2003 Now, any topic on a forum will undoubtedly stray eventually. But this is really something else. I don't even know what we're talking about anymore. Often topics evolve into other intelligent and useful conversation, but this has just diminished into ramblings and insults. In an attempt to bring the conversation back around, does anyone think that war with Iraq is avoidable? ASM1 I think would argue "no." And many here would say that it is avoidable. But should we avoid it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SR540Beaver Posted February 23, 2003 Share Posted February 23, 2003 Zahnada, Gladly! Is a war with Iraq avoidable? No. The administration has put too much time and effort into it to turn back now. If they didn't go to war, they would look like fools to the rest of the world. We have spent a year trying to tie Saddam to Al Queda and convince the world that Saddam is a threat to the survival of the world. If we were to back off and walk away, we would be laughing stocks. Not exactly a good reason to go forward, but there is no "backwards" at this stage. We have moved men and materiel into place. We have enlisted the support of a number of nations. Even if Saddam decided to come clean and truely fling all the doors open and allow unfettered access, what would the US say if nothing was found? Would we say that he was telling the truth or would we say he is still just playing games and is hiding the weapons? He is d*mned if he does and d*mned if he don't. It is a no win situation for Iraq. Even if Saddam took off into exile in the middle of the night, we would occupy Iraq to "ensure" the peace and control who took power. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a Saddam supporter or an anti-war nut. I fully supported out military action in Afganistan because it was justifiable. We had been attacked and we retaliated with extreme prejudice. Bravo!!! Saddam has a very weakened force and capability from what he had when we kicked his fanny in the Gulf War. The small amount of working equipment he does still have is rusting and in bad need of repair. He has been contained and he has not been a threat and still isn't. Has he threatened us in word or deed in all that time? Has he even said he wants to attack us....ever? We are the ones who have decided to go to war with him. We have become the aggressor....based purely on suspicions. As the world's only super power, do we really want to send a message to all other nations that we can and will attack them anytime we get nervous or suspicious of them? Or when they have a type of government that we don't like? People say that 9/11 changed everything and it is the only justification we need. Is it? How does the fact that a bunch of Islamic radical terrorists attacking us justify us going after whoever we want, whenever we want? There are plenty of other dictators around the world that are just as evil as Saddam...why did we single him out? Is the war avoidable at this stage? No! Should we be having the war in the first place instead of trying other ways of removing him thru pressure? Probably, but that option is now gone. What price will we pay for our actions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlebillie Posted February 24, 2003 Share Posted February 24, 2003 war IS avoidable. sometimes the big dog can just bark a bit, mark some territory and walk away. the issue is NOT whether it's avoidable, but whether some are so set as to consider no other course (this can get into a whole philosophical issue that starts off "well then, it ain't avoidable", but that's a different argument altogether, and not one that addresses the "painted ourselves into a corner" motif previously discussed). I, for one, have sufficient humility to understand that just maybe the President has access to info and intelligence that I do not. I have sufficient humanity to recognize that despite the posturing, GWB is not a blood-lusting beast blinded to reason and unaccepting of true alternative. And I have sufficient hope that somewhere there's a win-win answer for the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packsaddle Posted February 24, 2003 Share Posted February 24, 2003 Wow! A guy takes a couple of weeks in the Oregon woods and returns to an ASM1 meltdown, no telling what else in other threads...I'm almost afraid to look. KWC57, I think I understand your sentiments and I might have been a little more sympathetic to the other argument that the coming war is about oil, but... I saw Dennis J. Kucinich make a miserable attempt at articulating that argument recently and I was even embarrassed by it. But KWC is more persuasive with his argument that Bush has painted himself into a corner. Either way, the administration will lose politically. Littlebillie, I hope you are correct about the big dog but I am afraid that I don't have that much faith in Bush's intelligence (I'm not thinking about the CIA or FBI here). I fear that in addition to wrecking the nation's solvency (too late to worry about that), Bush could put a lot of good men in their grave. I hope I'm wrong. If I'm not, though, we are risking long-term damage not only to our already-battered status as the leader of the world's 'high ground' but to the rest of our alliances as well, maybe a lot more. Again I hope I'm wrong. ASM1, I hope you are able to ease your pain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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