[Wisconsin] State Employees Challenging Payroll Donation Policy - Guidelines Do Not Cover Sexual Orientation

[andrews]

OGE, you are not going to find any "unbiased" sites either way. All of them push an agenda of one sort or another, whatever the topic. But if such studies existed, they would be trumpeted far and wide, for they would put "scientific" imprateur onto the big push for "homosexual rights" that is sweeping the country. The lack of them becomes all the more apparant in that light.

 

Eisely, how many "normal" children exhibit traits of the opposite sex early in life? Before you can assert that these anecdotal memories prove an inborn homosexual "call" you would have to show that others who grew up to be heterosexual did not exhibit these traits. Surely we can all think of people in school who exhibited such, including ourselves in many cases.

 

Brad

[Dedicated Dad]

 

OGE, you are not going to find any "unbiased" sites either way. Im not sure I agree that NARTH or Exodus is biased though I would concede both have an agenda. If I found OGEs smoking gun independent study, it would surely be on NARTH and the fact is that NARTH uses independent studies for nearly all of their position statements. The simple truth is that people have changed their behavior and this should serve as proof to anyone who wants to find it. The sad thing is that OGE unfortunately is not interested in the truth, he has summarily dismissed NARTH and Exodus without any evidence of bias other than his own opinion. OGE, if you want independent studies here are some, let me know if you need more.

 

Gabbard, G. (1992). Psychodynamic Psychiatry in the "Decade of the Brain," American Journal of Psychiatry 149, (8), pp. 991-98

 

Post, R. (1992). Transduction of Psychosocial Stress into the Neurobiology of Recurrent Affective Disorder, American Journal of Psychiatry 148, (8), pp. 999-1010.

 

Maddox, J. (September 1991). Is Homosexuality Hardwired? Nature 353, p. 13.

 

E. Coleman et al., "Sexual and Intimacy Dysfunction Among Homosexual Men and Women," Psychiatric Medicine (United States) 10, no. 2 (1992), pp. 257-71.

 

L. S. Doll et al., "Self-Reported Childhood and Adolescent Sexual Abuse Among Adult Homosexual Bisexual Men," Child Abuse and Neglect 16, no. 6 (1992), pp. 855-64.

 

D. M. Greenberg, J. M. Bradford, and S. Curry, "A Comparison of Sexual Victimization in the Childhoods of Pedophiles and Hebephiles," Journal of Forensic Science (United States) 38, no. 2 (March 1993), pp. 432-36.

 

Eisold, B., 1998, "Recreating mother: The consolidation of 'heterosexual' gender identification in the young son of homosexual men," American J. of Orthopsychiatry 68,3:433-442.

 

Saakvitne, K., 1998, "Recreating mother: A commentary on the case analysis," American J. of Orthopsychiatry 68,3:443-446.

 

Biller, H. (1993) Fathers and Families: Paternal Factors in Child Development, Westport, CT: Auburn House.

 

 

[Dedicated Dad]

May Brighid light your way on the journey of your soul. May Paganism forever remain unrecognized by the BSA.

[andrews]

An agenda is what leads to bias. We all have it, to a point, even those claiming "no bias."

 

But you point is well taken, I probably could have said, "You aren't going to find any sites without an agenda," and it would have made my point better.

 

Brad

[Glenn]

Dedicated Dad,

 

Thanks for pointing out that the Brighid statement was some type of pagan statement. I had no idea. By the way, I agree with your response to it also!

[sctmom]

Strange how you don't want to recognize paganism but you sure like to "borrow" traditions from Native Americans. You realize they are pagans, right?

 

Also, there is nothing in BSA policy stating pagans are not allowed, it just say a believe in God, which god (or goddess) is your choice.

Pagan does not mean atheist.

 

[Bob Russell]

Wiccans are allowed in Boy Scouts, based upon my personal experience. Several fine adult leaders I know are Wiccans, as are several recent Eagle Scouts.

[MomScouter]

Sctmom and Bob Russell, thanks for your observations. Native American traditions are used extensively in BSA and are in fact pagan.

[OldGreyEagle]

For your perusal Littlebillie

[FScouter]

Perhaps it is time to establish a new forum entitled "Homosexuals & Scouting" where that topic could be discussed at length by those interested in same. Scouter-Terry?

[littlebillie]

OGE,

 

Thanks for directing me here. It does define some of the issues. Reading thu, it occurs that a lot of the perceived 'evil' of the lifestyle would evaporate if gay unions (marriages, domestic contracts, whatever) were permitted. Promiscuity seems a natural result when society at large will not acknowledge you.

 

It will be fascinating to see what happens over in Europe - didn't some country legalize same-sex unions? - in a decade or two. Less promiscuity, or more, or the same? Less homosexuality, or... well, you get it.

 

Fascinating lab-at-large.