Basementdweller Posted July 19, 2010 Share Posted July 19, 2010 I have a list of topics, I feel need covered.... What are your thoughts..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherminator505 Posted July 19, 2010 Share Posted July 19, 2010 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evmori Posted July 19, 2010 Share Posted July 19, 2010 List of topics about what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desertrat77 Posted July 19, 2010 Share Posted July 19, 2010 If I'm tracking with you Basement, we're talking about using woodcraft skills for adult training....... - Hiking - Patrol Camping - Patrol Cooking - Various competitions--first aid, orienteering, pioneering, fire building, swimming, etc. Essentially, anything we ask our scouts to achieve, we should be able to achieve it as well. Some have commented that woodcraft is one method of scouting, and emphasis should be placed on the other methods too. While this is true, woodcraft skill has traditionally been the hallmark of a scout. If woodcraft is no longer a prime interest of scouting, then what's the point? Also, the emphasis should be on leadership, with management being the minor consideration. Management teaches us how to build a patrol duty roster. Leadership motivates the scouts to actually perform those duties, and juggle the challenges of ability and motivation. Scouts have traditionally learned leadership skills this way for decades. Proof of the detrimental effects of downplaying leadership and woodcraft? BSA history, '72 - '80. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle92 Posted July 19, 2010 Share Posted July 19, 2010 I think a that a Scoutcraft week's worth of training would be nice for those who need it. You take the basics of what you learned in IOLS, and apply it the week or two weekends. Topics/activities to include (but not limited to) the following: Patrol Method Cooking over open fire (no stoves) Orienteering competition Pioneering competition First aid Backpacking Wilderness survival Knife, ax, saw work adn I know I am forgetting a bunch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basementdweller Posted July 19, 2010 Author Share Posted July 19, 2010 I was thinking even more basic than Patrol method. We are talking basic woodcraft. As stated Cooking over an open fire Campsite selection and setting up with in the site Fire building Leave no trace Respect and the outdoors Plant ID track ID animal ID reptile ID Sounds of the wild Weather forecasting way finding Season specific issues Improvised shelter, gathering food Pioneering, rope work True cross country Orienteering. Backpacking Gear selection, type and quality The course would probably be 4 weekends all in the field over the course of a year, one per season. This would be probably need to be a regional type training. Remember most Adult scouters are life long city dwellers, they have minimal if any outdoor skills. They could not find their way out of the woods let alone self rescue. With that said, there is no possible way it could be implemented or taught at a troop level. this would absolutely positively have to be Patrol level instruction.(This message has been edited by Basementdweller) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle92 Posted July 19, 2010 Share Posted July 19, 2010 I included PM b/c i want the adults working in groups of 6-10. And I knew I forgot a few things great lists all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParkMan Posted July 19, 2010 Share Posted July 19, 2010 I wonder if you'd want to break it up into a couple of different tracks. Building off the existing lists... Tracks would be something like: A. animals & nature - would focus on understanding nature & the world around us. Plant ID track ID animal ID reptile ID Sounds of the wild B. warm season camping - would focus on camping when weather is not an issue and the camping is easier. Allows you to focus on taking your IOLS training to the next level. For example, cooking Cooking over an open fire Gear selection, type and quality Campsite selection and setting up with in the site Fire building Leave no trace Respect and the outdoors Pioneering, rope work Improvised shelter, gathering food C. challenging conditions camping - focused on the challenging conditions you may experience with scouts. This is a region specific unit. i.e., the north east might do winter camping Gear selection, type and quality Campsite selection and setting up with in the site Weather forecasting Season specific issues D. hiking & back country/minimalist camping - A several day trek covering a moderate distance and focusing on building those hiking and orienteering skills. way finding True cross country Orienteering. Backpacking Gear selection, type and quality Campsite selection and setting up with in the site Each track would be a combination of a class room day and then a long weekend camping experience. If there were something equivalent to Woodbadge beads given out, you'd need to complete all the tracks to earn them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prairie Posted July 19, 2010 Share Posted July 19, 2010 This idea or variants of it have been kicked around here before, and I'm thankful it still has life. Seemed for every Scouter who would like to lead or take this sort of training there is a White Stag trained WoodBadger speaking against it and I can't believe very many in the professional ranks will approve either. Still there is hope, my local camp is underutilized once summer camp is over so I don't think they would have a problem with renting a campsite for a long weekend of informal Scouter training. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basementdweller Posted July 19, 2010 Author Share Posted July 19, 2010 So why would profession scouters not like it????? Dragging scouting back outdoors?????? I can see the 21st woodbadger not wanting this. The people I meet are not comfortable in the outdoors. I could never see any of them cowboy camping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SR540Beaver Posted July 19, 2010 Share Posted July 19, 2010 IOLS will soon become required training in order to have a unit chartered. IOLS covers teaching adult leaders the skills needed to meet the Tenderfoot thru 1st Class requirements. In addition, our council has a two weekend council developed course called Outdoor Skills Training that covers more advanced high adventure outdoor skills beyond Tenderfoot to 1st Class. Then there is always Powderhorn. The current Wood Badge course isn't intended to teach what these other courses teach. It's stated purpose is different. I don't understand why so many Scouters misunderstand it's intent and purpose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evmori Posted July 19, 2010 Share Posted July 19, 2010 So why would profession scouters not like it????? Dragging scouting back outdoors?????? Because we would find out how inept they are?????????????????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basementdweller Posted July 19, 2010 Author Share Posted July 19, 2010 1st, IOLs is inadequate. You don't even need to demonstrate skill to receive your card. Seen participants unable to identify poison ivy get their card......how do I know they were sitting in it at graduation. Amazing....... Powder horn, from the outside, appears to be Adult scouts having fun. Nothing wrong with that, but not exactly what we are after. "Much like the new Powder Horn course can change the life of the Venturing crew advisor. It gives that advisor the opportunity to taste high adventure. It gives them confidence they need to find experts and resources to help them provide experiences for their youth. " Correct me if I am wrong or misinformed but Powder horn is how to conduct a high adventure program. Not exactly what is being proposed. We are talking intermediate to advance outdoor skills.(This message has been edited by Basementdweller) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle92 Posted July 19, 2010 Share Posted July 19, 2010 SR, People don't misunderstand the new course, people want hte old course back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherminator505 Posted July 19, 2010 Share Posted July 19, 2010 "The current Wood Badge course isn't intended to teach what these other courses teach. It's stated purpose is different. I don't understand why so many Scouters misunderstand it's intent and purpose." I don't think that the new course's purpose and intent is misunderstood. What I think is misunderstood by many Scouters (including myself) is why the course was changed so radically, or why this kind of advanced training is being held up as preferable to advanced outdoor training, or why there isn't more emphasis being placed on traditional Scouting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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