Hazardous Weather Training will need to be renewed on a yearly basis.

[CNYScouter]

Our CM is working cub camp this summer and is on the council camping committee.

 

I was talking with him yesterday and at the last camping committee meeting one of the DDs in the council said that the next change in training will be that Hazardous Weather Training will need to be renewed on a yearly basis.

 

I usually hear about these things on this board weeks or months before I heard about it from our council and havent seen anything on this yet (Or did I miss it?)

 

Anyone else hear this?

 

[Frank17]

This is generally a local council decision, and not mandated by National (as far as I know). National mandates that YPT expires every 2 years; in our council, we also have to renew risk zone and weather hazards. For high adventure trips, the hiking safely, SSD, and safety afloat must also be current within the past 2 years, along with current CPR & WFA training. Some councils are more proactive on their training; it has been that way for us for at least the past 5 years.

[Twocubdad]

Makes you wonder if the recent spate of training mandates will be rolled back if BSA gets with a big judgment in a carpal tunnel syndrome lawsuit.

[shortridge]

The HWT online module froze up my computer more times than anything in recent memory except a massive spyware infestation. Yuck.

[moosetracker]

They must be having the person who issues the Tour permit checking these council mandated trainings out. If & when the troop does a tour permit requiring someone has it. Hazardous weather is any tour permit, the others depend on the outing.

 

BSA's software wouldn't be able to keep up with it. And since most of those things only requires one person listed on a Tour permit has it, it could be anyone from SM to some committee member who goes on outings.

 

My husband is Advancement Coordinator so a committee member, but he and my sone are the only ones that have bothered to take this training. My husband feels obligated to go on every outing. My son who is Outdoor Coordinator, rarely is free to go on the outings.. He is now trying to get others to get some of this training.

[ScoutNut]

Per the BSA Local Tour Permit, Hazardous Weather training is good for 2 years, and at least one adult on any trip requiring a permit needs to have completed it.

 

Council's will verify the people on the permit have had, and are current with, the training they are listed for.

 

Individual councils are free to make their local tour permit requirements stricter (Haz. Weather annual instead of bi-annual).

 

 

 

[Get Outdoors]

As BSA and our Councils keep adding requiremnts and giving the childish threats of... "if you dont do XXXX training, we will not recharter you next year" At what point does the potential new blood step back and say "I'm not to willing to give that much"?

 

We recently had a large group of new scouts join. I got talking with a new dad that I think could be a huge asset as an ASM and possibly my replacement someday. (I've known him for years ouside of scouting) As I was explaining the required training, I could see his enthuseasm dwindle as he started to realize the commitment outside of working directly with the boys and the liability BSA is attempting to pass onto volunteers.

 

 

 

[Get Outdoors]

As BSA and our Councils keep adding requiremnts and giving the childish threats of... "if you dont do XXXX training, we will not recharter you next year" At what point does the potential new blood step back and say "I'm not to willing to give that much"?

 

We recently had a large group of new scouts join. I got talking with a new dad that I think could be a huge asset as an ASM and possibly my replacement someday. (I've known him for years ouside of scouting) As I was explaining the required training, I could see his enthuseasm dwindle as he started to realize the commitment outside of working directly with the boys and the liability BSA is attempting to pass onto volunteers.

 

 

 

[resqman]

3 hours of online traing for Youth Protection, Weather, Safety Afloat, Swim Safely. 1 day of SM/ASM specific training, 1 weekend for IOLS.

 

That is 4 days over a 1 year time period. A single troop campout eats up almost that amount of time. So they skip one round of golf for position specific training. They don't watch an hour of TV a couple of nights. And they go camping with adults one weekend instead of the troop. If they are not willing to do that, than I am convinced they will be able to provide the amount of time it takes to be useful leadership to the troop.

[moosetracker]

,What resqman said..

With the addition that alot of times it is going to be in YOUR attitude when you present it as to if you scare off potentials or not. At this point in time, I would bet given the same canadate if it were possible if you discussed training with them you would scare them off, yet resqman would not.. It might be possible that reqman if he were in the neighborhood, could talk to the guy you scared off last night and calm him down and get him to be excited about joining again.

 

Forget National mandates.. YOU should want trained leaders in you unit. YOU should want to provide your boys with the best program available. YOU should want to make sure that you & your team are following all the safty measures so that there are no serious accidents or incidents. YOU should make them want to go for training so that they can not just be a body in a uniform, but become a knowledgable and excellent leader. The more they know, the easier their job will be as ASM / SM during the troop meetings and at those weekend events.

 

Yet if you present training to people as a ridiculous and senseless nuisance that is unneccessary and useless and forced upon you for no good reason. That is exactly how they will take it.

[Frank17]

I would second (or third) what resqman said.

Of all the training required for CM, SM, or committee positions, only the health & safety related stuff expires (just like red cross classes). That is because BSA / council believes that is so important (and it is), that you should have had your classes recently so as to know how to respond in an emergency.

 

We just instituted YPT in our Troop for all parents who go along on Troop campouts, regardless of whether they were registered or not. Anticipating some complaints, I redid all my online training one afternoon (YPT, SSD, SA, COS, HW, TS). It took me a grand total of about 2 1/2 hours to complete. For training that expires every 2 years, that is a little over 1 hour per year spend in updating your training. Not a very big committment, for something that may one day save a life or a lawsuit.