AdvanceOn Posted October 28, 2003 Share Posted October 28, 2003 A Scouter friend of my husband insists that the trained patch comes off once you have earned your Wood Badge beads. I say that's not true. What has anyone else heard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJCubScouter Posted October 28, 2003 Share Posted October 28, 2003 I've never heard that. It does not make any sense. The trained patch is for basic training for your position. Wood Badge does not replace basic training for your position, so why would you take the patch off -- unless you take a new position for which you are not yet trained, in which case you DO take the trained patch off -- but leave the Wood Badge insignia on. They are for 2 different things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsteele Posted October 28, 2003 Share Posted October 28, 2003 Unless you wear your Wood Badge beads on your sleeve (which I don't recommend to my friends,) I believe NJ is correct. I've never heard or read anything to the contrary. DS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob White Posted October 28, 2003 Share Posted October 28, 2003 NJ is correct. Wood Badge is advanced leadership skills. The Trained patch is recognition for completing basic job specific training. One does not replace the other. BW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Old Guy Posted October 28, 2003 Share Posted October 28, 2003 I've read that in olden days the trained patch came off once you earned the "Training Award" for your position. In those days, it would make sense to take the patch off once you earned your beads. However, in these days, the trained patch stays even though the patch should be unnecessary because everyone should be trained. BTW, at one time there was a special mylar Scoutmaster patch to indicate training. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eamonn Posted October 29, 2003 Share Posted October 29, 2003 Have to admit to never giving it much thought. I did wear my Wood Badge on my Cubmaster Uniform before I wore my Trained patch. I later went on to do that training along with the old Cubscout WB. My thinking was that no matter what I was a member of Troop 1 Gilwell Park. Even if I wasn't trained in that position. I also wore my 3 beads when I was District Commissioner, even though I had only staffed a Boy Scout Wood Badge. So my thinking is "Wear your beads with pride - But take the training for the position that you are serving in" Eamonn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob White Posted October 29, 2003 Share Posted October 29, 2003 In the olden days I do not believe there was a trained strip. Training was only evident by Knots or Wood Badge Beads. In the late 70's the SM and ASM patch was available with metallic threading to indicate completion of Scoutmaster Basic Leader Training. I don't recall if Cubmaster patches had similar threading. With the introduction of the current uniform style the metallic patch was discontinued and the Trained strip was introduced for all adult leader positions as well as for junior leader training recognition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evmori Posted October 29, 2003 Share Posted October 29, 2003 Never heard that before. Sounds like the stuff urban legends are made of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsteele Posted October 29, 2003 Share Posted October 29, 2003 Have to give points to Bob White, Eamonn and FOG for remembering the metallic threads. Those were cool patches. I also have to admit that I don't remember them applying to the Cubmaster position. I don't think they did. Now here's the mega-point bonus question -- at what point in his/her career can a District Executive begin to wear the trained patch? Get it right and you'll get cyber-stars. I'll stop this line of questioning when I see the correct answer. Hints will be provided on request, but will cost points DS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Old Guy Posted October 29, 2003 Share Posted October 29, 2003 Bob, this a trained patch from olden days www.mninter.net/~blkeagle/insignia/bstrain.jpg Can't get it to display the picture :-((This message has been edited by Fat Old Guy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Old Guy Posted October 29, 2003 Share Posted October 29, 2003 " I also have to admit that I don't remember them applying to the Cubmaster position. I don't think they did. " According to Mike Walton's usually correct web site, they did exist. http://www.mninter.net/~blkeagle/trained.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJCubScouter Posted October 29, 2003 Share Posted October 29, 2003 And here is a link to a picture of the fancy shiny Scoutmaster patch from the 70s http://www.mninter.net/~blkeagle/insignia/train-sm.jpg and the regular SM patch from the same era http://www.mninter.net/~blkeagle/insignia/reg-sm.jpg My father has one of the shiny ones on a uniform shirt that still hangs in his closet. I think it is the patch he is the proudest of with the possible exception of his Philmont patches, out of all the patches he has accumulated in 65 years of Scouting. He told me that while he was still a SM, years after the shiny patch had been discontinued, somebody offered him $100 for the patch. He didn't sell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matuawarrior Posted October 29, 2003 Share Posted October 29, 2003 I didn't know DE's can wear a Trained Patch. I thought that was for volunteers. If so, then . . . My guess would be when they completed and received their Professional Black Square Knot. Matua Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoutldr Posted October 29, 2003 Share Posted October 29, 2003 Yes, the Cub leader patches were available with "mylar" threading. You can find them on eBay occasionally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob White Posted October 29, 2003 Share Posted October 29, 2003 That's interesting, I have never seen those patches before but they appear genuine. I'll check some early leader handbooks, but they do appear genuine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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