skeptic Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 A mention was made last night at roundtable that Lion was going to be reborn in some manner. Does anyone know anything about this, or is it just another rumor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSScout Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 Hoo boy... Bobcat, Wolf, Bear, Lion, Webelos... Now Tiger, Bobcat, Wolf, Bear, Webelos, Webelos... Soon to be... ?? Lion, Tiger, Bobcat, Wolf , Bear, Webelos, Webelos...?? see http://meritbadge.org/wiki/index.php/Lion_Cub_Scouts and http://www.cnyscouts.org/forms/2009_Lion_Handbook.pdf and http://www.angelfire.com/trek/pocketchangelimited/scouts.html "Coming to a concil near you...." Will it be a Lion Cub, or a Lion Roar? I think it depends on who is first in the National Office Monday morning... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScoutNut Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 Lion was the den name being used in the Kindergarten Cub Scout trials. I have not heard that the program is out of it's trial phase yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infoscouter Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 My council (Northern Star) has conducted a Kindergarten Lion pilot program for the last three yeart. 74% of the Scouts who joined in the first year are still in Scouts. Over the past two years 80% of the Lion Cubs transitioned to Tiger Cubs. Starting in the fall, our council is urging every pack to have a Lion Cub program. Some details about uniforming and insignia are still being determined. "Northern Star Council has seen the results of this program and this Fall, the Lion Cub pilot will become a more integral part of the Scouting program. As part of a pack, Lion Cubs will be able to participate in pack meetings, fundraising efforts, camping programs, Pinewood Derby, and any other activity that the pack is participates in." http://www.northernstarbsa.org/News.aspx?articleID=969 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle92 Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank10 Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 "Over the past two years 80% of the Lion Cubs transitioned to Tiger Cubs. " Just what I want to hear, they lose 20% a year and in 5 years they have no one moving up to the troop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortridge Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 Sounds like minor silliness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSScout Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 I really think it should be: (starting with preschool) chipmunk, Coatimundi, Bobcat, Marten, Wolf, Bear, Lion, Siberian Sabertooth, Webelos,,..... Scout Then the Cub mom could understand why the Cub wears his uni shirt out of his pants, to display all the badges! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamist649 Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 It hasn't been mentioned in our Council...and I hope it doens't. Kindergarten boys are just too young, it's hard enough to get the Tigers where they need to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moosetracker Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 SSScout - Why the uni-shirt?.. If we start them young enough they can display their badges on their diapers.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basementdweller Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 I understand why......... We get them in Scouting before Little league or flag football starts competing for their time and interest.... Do I like it....Not with out other changes...... I would love to see crossover numbers to the troop. Edited for reading the links.....It is a learning for life program in the first link Then the second link...... the angelfire link sounds like a rogue unit.... The article says the first sanctioned to receive the lion award.....but interestingly enough their award is for webelos aged boys and not kindergarteners. Take a look at the unit picture at the link and read the story.....How does a bear den also earn another rank.....The leaders in the picture are very clearly untrained. My favorite quote from the article.... "over the next 5 months, the activity hungry boys would all go on to earn, or re-earn the Bobcat Patch, the Wolf Patch with Gold arrow, and silver Arrow, Bear Patch with Gold arrow, and an average of 11 silver arrows each. " Really in 5 months......I DON"T THINK SO(This message has been edited by Basementdweller) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
83Eagle Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 Girl scouts starts in K with Daisies. [insert obligatory retort about how GSUSA is not like BSA]. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScoutNut Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 GSUSA also tried to push it back to Pre-School. Are you suggesting BSA do the same? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
83Eagle Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 I'm not suggesting anything, just observing. Lots and lots of interesting things to observe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScoutLass Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 I grew up in Campfire first, then later Girl Scouts, and I always found it odd that you had to wait until first grade to be a cub. I've been a around the cub block with a couple of dens, and the Tigers are a dream, it's the parent's behavior that can get a bit trying! I personally find Wolves to be the most challenging year behavior-wise. Even then, it's not that bad and just boys testing the boundaries. It's what kids do and it just takes a little bit of a firmer hand to keep them on task. Why does starting them early mean they'll get bored and quit before they get to Boy Scouts? I don't understand that logic at all. My personal observations have been the more active a pack the boys come from, the more likely they are to enter and stick with an active troop later on. A boring cub program, then the entrance into a boring troop, causes boys to drop out. Of course, I also think the BSA coddles and wraps boys in bubble wrap a bit, at least at the cub level. I think it's funny in a sad way when our boys are going to a 3-day day camp and their younger sisters are going to 2 week residence camps without their parents. I know our pack has lost boys because we show them these great videos at roundup where the boys are camping, shooting BB guns and doing all this great outdoor stuff. Then they only get to do half those things once a year at a council event. The rest of the outdoor stuff they have mom or dad hovering over them in near panic mode, because god forbid we give the boys some freedom to try and fail (or succeed) a little bit. Maybe if we get the boys and the parents in kindergarten before they are stretched in every direction, we'll get 'em hooked on scouting and we'll end up with a better program for the boys, which leads to boys sticking around much longer. I've found that when the parents are excited, the boys are too, at least when they are cub age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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