Trevorum Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 I just read that Double H will 'conclude six years of operation with the 2009 season' and will not be accepting reservations for 2010. Does anyone know anything about this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissingArrow Posted October 10, 2008 Share Posted October 10, 2008 I just saw a flier put out by National for Philmont & Double H talking about how reservations for 2010 will be taken in September and October of 2008... http://www.pikespeakbsa.org/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_download&gid=472&Itemid=72 I couldn't find any reference to it closing after 2009. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John-in-KC Posted October 10, 2008 Share Posted October 10, 2008 Trev, Call the folks at Philmont and ask! 505-376-2271. The professionals running the HA Division are some of the very best in all Scouting. I don't think this would happen randomly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunny2862 Posted October 10, 2008 Share Posted October 10, 2008 Still rumor mongering w/o calling the number... My predecessor as SM and former CC e-mailed me with the information about HH closing just this morning... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtswestark Posted October 10, 2008 Share Posted October 10, 2008 Yep, got the 2010 registration packet via email the other day. Confirmed on-line here: http://www.scouting.org/filestore/pdf/2010_philmont_registration.pdf Look at the bottom of the first page, it says exactly what Trev said. Too bad, wonder what the story there is. JTS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortridge Posted October 10, 2008 Share Posted October 10, 2008 Just spoke with a lady there who said they're accepting reservations through 2009, but closing after that. That number for Philmont is old - the (505) area code has changed. The number that I found worked was (575) 376-2281. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevorum Posted October 10, 2008 Author Share Posted October 10, 2008 As I recall, BSA did not own the property, but had some type of joint use agreement. I wonder if that fell apart? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan Posted October 11, 2008 Share Posted October 11, 2008 I am sorry to hear that but not surprised. I really enjoyed my hike there. The ranch is owned by the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation. I know that when the ranch was willed to RMEF that there was a clause that it must be used in some way for youth. I got the felling when I was there that most of the ranch hands did not think it was a good idea to have all of the scouts hiking there. It is a working ranch, but it is also a place to hunt, If memory serves me correctly 20,000 dollars will get you a week of hunting Elk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1Vigil Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 I had heard that Double H was closing as well. Liked to have fell over. Our troop took two crews to Double H in 2008. The boys and adults love the concept. I called it Philmont EXTREME ! Because it was so much different than the main Philmont Ranch and NO TRAILS. You had to live up to the LEAVE NO TRACE as the properties were not ours. Even the land was so much different. I guess it was the different taste of high adventure that was so unique about it. I will have to say one thing though. The staff that has served at the Double H ranch were great. Most of all in the first aid or rescue areas. They were the best and were very professional. KODOS STAFFERS. Lets just hope that Double H can reappear again in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissingArrow Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 After posting a story about Double H Closing on Scouting News http://www.scoutingnews.org/2008/10/10/double-h-high-adventure-base-closing/ I found additional information, which I posted in the comments. An article in the Philmont Staff Association magazine stated: Although the BSA is eager to maintain this facility, the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation is having difficulty financing its future operations. To date, BSA volunteers have put in more than 17,400 hours of conservation work on the Double H. Sorry I can't tell you which issue it was in as I have packed up all of my physical belongings in prep for a year overseas. -Dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acco40 Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 The expectation for all treks going at Double H was to provide service for a conservation project. I do know that some in the RMEF were not real happy with Scouts on the grounds. Unlike Philmont, the wildlife was not quite used to humans but were getting there. Humans = food. But I will say that the guides and the folks I was with took extreme caution to strictly follow Leave No Trace quidelines. My trek there in 2007 was wonderful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrrelee1 Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 I too was there summer 2008 and indeed KUDOS to the staff, they were excellent and we had a great time at Martins Ranch. Does anyone have any specific stories about how great the staff was which would indicate how sad it is to see their programs end? I remember several staff members such as James and Chris who were great with the youth at teaching and challenging them with shooting and cooking. Any other good stories to tell? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John-in-KC Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 Mr Lee, The issue is not BSA; it's the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation. BTW, if there's a National IT staffer who looks in here, they need to look at this page: http://www.scouting.org/highadventure/philmont/doublehranch/reservations.aspx RANT: OLD INFORMATION. The info on this page is for 2-3 season ago. / RANT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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