Where do patrol patches go?

[ideadoc]

My printed copy of the 2009-2010 insignia guide shows a space between the US flag and the patrol patch. The online insignia guide found here http://www.scouting.org/scoutsource/Media/InsigniaGuide/06.aspx shows the patrol patch touching the flag. The printed guide calls the spot for the patrol patch "Position 2" but does not say exactly what position 2 is defined as (unless I am missing it). It also shows the patrol patch touching the flag when worn with a Webelos uniform.

 

I am guessing the boy scout version is spaced to leave room for the honor patrol stars. Is that the amount of space that should be left between the patrol patch and the US flag? (So that if you have a ring of honor patrol stars around the patrol patch the top star would touch the US flag?) What if there is no way you will earn the honor patrol award (for example, as part of a Jamboree contingent?) Should that space still be left when wearing the patrol patch on a boy scout uniform?

[AlFansome]

I go by what's on the Uniform Inspection sheet at http://www.scouting.org/filestore/pdf/34283.pdf

 

4" from shoulder seam to bottom of patrol emblem.

 

For the Quality Unit patch, it can be touching the bottom of the patrol emblem or below a National Honor Patrol star as described in the wording for the right sleeve on the inspection sheet.

 

(This message has been edited by AlFansome)