AlFansome Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 One thing that I don't think has been mentioned is that it now seems that Bugler is an OK POR for Eagle in the new 12th edition of the handbook. Hadn't noticed it before someone one Facebook pointed it out. Looks like a new Eagle app will definitely be coming out sometime on 2010 to handle new PORs that would be OK for Eagle (bugler and perhaps webmaster and LNT Trainer). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenk Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 I hope that new Eagle application also has way to ELECTRONICALLY enter the names, addresses, E-MAIL addresses, and telephone numbers for the recommendations. My council is requiring Scouts to use the ScoutNet application. That means boys are asked hand-enter and/or type information into the PDF file. NOBODY has a typewriter anymore, and some of their handwriting is not good. ScoutNet needs to provide an application with electronic form fields. BTW, the current Eagle Leadership Project Workbook from NESA.org has an error in one of the editable PDF fields. The field in which the Scout enters the total number of hours is in a non-changeable teeny tiny font size - almost comical. Of course the other problem is that the form fields don't auto-wrap and won't allow insertion of tables or pictures, so they are a major pain to use. My son just entered "seen next page" and hand-inserted paper pages created using Word or Excel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hal_Crawford Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 Has anyone seen a patch for the LNT trainer? Perhaps an empty circle would be appropriate. Hal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gcnphkr Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 I hope that new Eagle application also has way to ELECTRONICALLY enter the names, addresses, E-MAIL addresses, and telephone numbers for the recommendations. Like the one on the GCC site? http://www.doubleknot.com/openrosters/ViewOrgPageLink.asp?LinkKey=6039&orgkey=62 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherminator505 Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 I have nothing but respect for buglers, but could someone please explain how a bugler exercises leadership? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Skipper Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 A proper bugler is the most important position in a troop behind a Patrol leader. It is he who enforces a schedule, musters all the troops (literally) either on a patrol or troop level. His calls can keep scouts out of trouble (as an example, a recall to the campsite if foul weather is imminent). A good troop will do far better with a competent bugler. Look at the information we have recently discussed regarding troop buglers here: http://www.scouter.com/forums/viewThread.asp?threadID=227350#id_232535 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherminator505 Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 Thank you Buffalo Skipper. I see it now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwd-scouter Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 I would just like to point out that the Scouts must fill a Position of Responsibility not a Position of Leadership. Very different things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crew21_Adv Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 Hal, Ouch! That was horrible.. lol Scouting Forever and Venture On! Crew21 Adv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevorum Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 Yes!!! Finally, getting up at O-dark-thirty on the morning to play Reveille pays off! Go buglers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSScout Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 A better question: When was Bugler not considered a PoR appropriate for any rank? I've known active Buglers and really inactive Chaplain Assistants, and Troop Librarians who were all considered good to go for rank. I thought all listed PoR (possible exception: Assistant Patrol Leader) were appropriate. Is there a master list or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FScouter Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 The master list is in the Boy Scout Handbook, in the rank requirements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherminator505 Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 "I would just like to point out that the Scouts must fill a Position of Responsibility not a Position of Leadership. Very different things." I agree. I would also respectfully submit that if the Eagle requirements don't currently require a Position of Leadership instead of a Position of Responsibility, they should be changed. An Eagle Scout needs to demonstrate leadership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asm 411 Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 Which positions are positions of leadership? SPL, PL, ASPL?, Troopguide?, JASM? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FScouter Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 The purpose of the Eagle Scout Leadership Service Project is to demonstrate leadership. Nevertheless, one can demonstrate leadership in any position, not just those that have "leader" in the title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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