Knot Head Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 Friendly disagreement in our troop on the rank advancements below. My position is that if you go on five different campouts you have met the requirement for 2nd class 2a. Others in the troop take the position that there is a maximum of two campouts that can be counted and the other three activities must be non camping activities such as eagle service projects, a fieldtrip for a merit badge, etc. When I read the requirement I don't see a limit on campouts as others do which specifies that two - and only two - campouts can be used to reach five activities for 2nd class 2a. Am I reading this wrong? Anyone care to take a side? Anyone, anyone... Beuller? 2nd class 2a. Since joining, have participated in five separate troop/patrol activities (other than troop/patrol meetings), two of which included camping overnight. 1st class #3. Since joining, have participated in ten separate troop/patrol activities (other than troop/patrol meetings), three of which included camping overnight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evmori Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 Here's the requirement. Since joining, have participated in five separate troop/patrol activities (other than troop/patrol meetings), two of which included camping overnight. The way I have always read this is two of these five events must be camping overnight. I have never read anything that states all five events can't be overnight camping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle90 Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 I agree with Ed. 2 must include camping overnight. All five could be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John-in-KC Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knot Head Posted July 28, 2009 Author Share Posted July 28, 2009 Thanks guys. It always seemed pretty clear to me that all five could be campouts. Just wanted to make sure I didn't miss something. Appreciate the feedback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gcnphkr Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 Most of us understand it to mean "at least X of which included camping overnight". A technical reading of the requirement does yield the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle92 Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 Concur with rest, especially since some units went form a "hikeing and camping" troop, to a "camping and boating" which limited the number of hikes we took. More camping and less hiking works for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John-in-KC Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 Oh, I'll be honest. I still want to see 3 x 5 mile hikes (1959/1965 HBs) for 2d class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eisely Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 I agree that the proper interpretation of the requirement does not limit the number of camping events that can be counted. I have always considered participation in fund raisers and services projects to be legitimate activities for this requirement. Would it be double counting to include participating in a service project as credit towards service hours and an activity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knot Head Posted July 28, 2009 Author Share Posted July 28, 2009 Would it be double counting to include participating in a service project as credit towards service hours and an activity? Can't speak for others but our troop would allow participation in an eagle service project to count toward both the 1 hour service requirement and the 5 activities requirement for 2nd class. I guess it's a bit of a double dip but still we would give credit for both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John-in-KC Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 Generally, participation in a work day is more than the 1 hour for Second Class service hours. I have no problem with the project counting both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwd-scouter Posted July 29, 2009 Share Posted July 29, 2009 Agree with the others - at LEAST two campouts, could be five. As for service projects, we count working on community service projects as fulfilling both the one hour service project and one outing for 2nd class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evmori Posted July 29, 2009 Share Posted July 29, 2009 I have no problem with using the same activity to fulfill more than one requirement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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