David CO

I think you understand this correctly. Some scouters do feel this way.

No. We do not need to be registered adult in a scouting program in order to practice some of its values in our everyday lives. However, scouting is a game for boys. It isn't a blueprint for adult life.

There is an exception to every rule. Did you know that some kids with diabetes monitor their insulin with their cell phones? I had a student 3 years ago who had such a device. If there was a problem, and he didn't respond to his phone warning quickly enough, the phone would text his parents and his doctor's office. It was a precaution in case he passed out. He was allowed to have his phone in school.

It's time to move more non-legal stuff to the other thread. I wonder how long it will take before you get tired of doing it.

Three reasons. $$$

I don't know as much about this as you. I do know that many good scouters have had their memberships revoked without good cause. I believe what you are saying is true. That said, I think your use of the term "Death Warrant" is unnecessarily hyperbolic. The facts are damning enough.

This is what council guys have always wanted to do. The bankruptcy is an excuse for them to do it.

Absolutely right. Up until age 18, young people are told they can do no wrong. Then at 18, they are told they can do no right. The world suddenly perceives them as a threat. (or at least a liability) Is it any wonder why so many of our 18 to 21 year-olds retreat into a culture of self-destructive behavior?

Sorry. I have to disagree with you here. Many people work in jobs/professions that involve contact with children. You can't expect people to forgo employment in order to comply with YPT. Should I have quit my teaching job because we did not have 2-deep leadership in my classroom? That kind of scrutiny to BSA rules would be ridiculous.

No school would apply or enforce the rule. BSA would have to take action themselves.

That would spare BSA national. Those guys live in a galaxy all of their own.

Yes. That is correct. Also, forget about them going swimming at the YMCA. Changing and showering together would really make BSA blow a cork!

There is nothing to propose. He can't do both without violating YPT. He has to choose one or the other. Please let us know what he decides. The really interesting part of this ridiculous discussion is about what he is supposed to do if he should be required to interact with youth members at school. Should he obey the YPT or should he follow school rules and regulations.

Yes. That's what it says.

This sounds very familiar. Many years ago, there was a member of the forum who spoke very much like you. He was constantly telling people they didn't belong in scouting. So you should know that this is not a new argument. It has popped up on the forum every few years since I joined. When was that? I can't remember anymore. I do remember that this was the statement that prompted me to write my first post. (Sighing nostalgically)

No, it is not even close. In making these over-reaching rules, BSA is the one who is not following the social contract. BSA is the bad guy here. Not the parents and scouts.

That is correct. He must choose between his membership in BSA and continuing his friendship with his best bud. I'm sorry. I don't like it either. But those are his choices if he is going to follow YPT.

I agree as far as the young adults participation at scouting events is concerned. I do not agree that it should effect their friendship outside of scouting. BSA is over-reaching their authority on this one.

That would work for this particular situation, but I would prefer a solution that covers a wider range of situations arising from this rule. I don't think his being a high school senior is the main issue. The issue is parental rights. The parents have the right to allow their son to have a young adult friend regardless of their memberships in scouting, and regardless of what what the guys at national think about it.

I think BSA should have a form which identifies and recognizes pre-existing relationships outside of scouting. If the scout and his parents notify BSA in this way that a pre-existing relationship exist outside of scouting, then BSA should recognize this relationship and allow an exemption from the rule.

I don't know for sure, but I can speculate. Take a situation where an adult takes covert nude photos of a scout in the locker room. The scout is unaware of the photos. The police later search the adult's home and find the photos. Even though the scout was unaware of the nude photos, and the existence of the nude photos had no impact on the scout, the scout was a still a victim of the adult.

No. Yes. Yes. The guys at national are idiots.

Scouts were never "taken away" from safe communities of adults. The safe communities of adults formed these scout units, funded these scout units, and signed their kids up in these scout units. The scout units were an extension of the safe communities of adults. The people who wrote this nonsense are using loaded language like "taken away" and "across state lines" to make it sound like scout leaders were kidnapping kids and spiriting them away from their homes. These boys were not kidnapped. They wanted to join scouting. They wanted to go on outings. Their parents signed them up and paid for these outings. Boys were not "put" in communal spaces like showers and church basements. They walked there under their own power. They knew they would be meeting in the church basement when they signed up in their scout unit. They knew they would be taking showers. When social advocates use such loaded language, they usually end up diminishing their own argument and hurting their own cause. I think they did so here.

Well, I'm missing it, but I'm not missing it.

Yep. More education will do the trick. Like promoting covid vaccinations. Just tell the people what's good for them and they'll do it.