Cubmaster Randy

It was a certification card that the BALOO organizer gave to the presenters at our training. In the spot that says what you are being area you are trained in, it said BALOO trainer instead of BALOO. I think it was more of a thank you than an official document.

Ang: I'm not sure why they would be getting their trained card either. Doesnt make any sense for me either. Anyway, having both a permission slip and a health form could be considered redundant. However,something should be collected for every person attending, JUST IN CASE. I would reccomend that the organizer do that. Our Pack just collects the health form, but i know most units in our district do both. I think my defintions of family camping and pack camping differ slightly from the others. Cub camping is done with the family or family members with the Pack. it could just be with a parent or include siblings. Our council has two family camping opportunites that they put on during the summer. Families sign up as families,not as a pack, but they do collect health forms. If I was just to take my family camping for the weekend, it could be family camping, it would most likely not be under the auspice of BSA and I would not worry about health forms.

Cub Camping is Family camping by defintion. Pack overnighters which have activites for the family as compared to Troop camping or Webelos den camping. This is from the BALOO trainers book No surprises. Permission slips are required, even when the parents/guardians are attending the function. Class 1 medical forms are recommended for all campers. This is to ensure emergency medical treatment of any youth members in the event the parent/gurdian cannot be immedialty located or in the event the parent/ guardian requires medical attention. Pack overnighters are pack-organized overnight events involving more than one family from a single pack, focused on age-appropriate Cub Scout activities and conducted at council-approved sites. If nonmembers (siblings) participate, the event must be structured to accommodate them. BSA health and safety and Youth Protection guidelines apply. In most cases, each youth member will be under the supervision of a parent or guardian. In all cases, each youth participant is responsible to a specific adult. *I am not sure why you would not get a form on siblings as well. They could get hurt too and the ratio does not necesarily have to be 1 to 1, just that each child must be responsible to a specific adult. Although the class 1 form has a permission to treat on it, a permission slip is good to have as it can be made to have details regarding the specific individual event that the scout family is attending that weekend. Also it could come in handy too with divorced parents depending on who has custody that weekend. *Did the trainers recieve their trainer cards or training cards? Our instructor gave out trainer cards to the trainers a couple of years ago. Same card except it said BALOO trainer, instead of BALOO training.

We've given them a "patrol rope". It is approx 18" which they can use it to practice different knots. We give each den a different color to differentiate the dens.

I got my book in 1979. Yes the pages are different, I went to our Lodge ordeal last year and looked in one of the new books. Got the word and was able to get into the jump start page. i rmemebered the song and obligation and could not remember the Admonition either. The spelling and the prounounciation are there under brotherhood challenges for your reference Yours in WWW

The Webelos badge requirment 8 in the book states that you need to do "d" or "e". "d" is earning the religious award and "e" is doing other items (listed below)It also states that if you earned your faith's religious emblem earlier in Cub Scouting, and your faith does not have a Webelos religious emblem, you must complete requirement 8e. Do two of these: Attend the mosque, church, synagogue, temple, or other religious organization of your choice, talk with your religious leader about your beliefs. Tell your family and your Webelos den leader what you learned. Discuss with your family and Webelos den leader how your religious beliefs fit in with the Scout Oath and Scout Law, and what character-building traits your religious beliefs have in common with the Scout Oath and Scout Law. With your religious leader, discuss and make a plan to do two things you think will help you draw nearer to God. Do these things for a month. For at least a month, pray or meditate reverently each day as taught by your family, and by your church, temple, mosque, synagogue, or religious group. Under the direction of your religious leader, do an act of service for someone else. Talk about your service with your family and Webelos den leader. Tell them how it made you feel. List at least two ways you believe you have lived according to your religious beliefs

What do your youth leaders want to do? I would bring it up at PLC

Wolves are not supposed to use unused achievements for electives. Bears can. I don't have the wolf book handy, so I had to go to the virtual leaders handbook to find it. Have you awarded them or do they think they earned them? If they have already been awarded, I would definitly not take them back. No reason to punish (maybe a strong word) a cub for something he had no control over. What were the expectations? Did someone tell them they could or are you just counting up the points near the end of the year? http://www.geocities.com/%7Epack215/arrow-points.html FOR WOLVES AND BEARS ! Electives are not like achievements. A Wolf or Bear Cub Scout can pick any requirement he likes from the electives and do it. When he has completed ten elective requirements, he has earned his first Arrow Point - a gold one. Only one gold arrow point may be earned during the Wolf year, and one during the Bear year. It is worn 3/4" below and centered under the current rank badge (Wolf and Bear) as shown above. After earning a Gold Arrow Point, a Cub may complete ten more requirements to earn a Silver Arrow Point. Under his Wolf or Bear badge, he may wear as many Silver Arrow Points as he earns. They are worn in rows of two below, centered, and touching the Gold Arrow Point or previously earned Silver Arrow Points for each rank (see above.) FOR BEARS ONLY! There are slight differences between the Wolf and Bear Arrow Points rules. In the Bear program, achievement requirements now follow the same rules as the elective requirements. Each one is a separate project. The achievements sometimes require completion of an elective to satisfy a particular requirement. As such, after completing all of his achievements a Bear Cub can go back to his electives and use any requirement he did not count toward his Bear badge. Remember these important rules: A Bear can mix requirements from electives and unused achievements in any way to get the ten he needs for each Arrow Point. He may earn Arrow Points from the Bear Cub Scout Book until he becomes a Webelos Scout. He may work on these electives all through his Bear year, but he cannot receive Arrow Points until he has earned your Bear badge. Any achievement requirement that he has completed to earn his Bear badge cannot be used again to earn Arrow Points, but there are many more to choose from.

The God and Family program for the methodists that my webelos son did was a six week program + an orientation meeting. They got to make a pizza while exploring their faith. I know that the Boy Scouts (God and Church or God and Life) that participated had at least a 6 month program. Of course, different religions have different requirments... so your mileage may vary http://www.scouting.org/awards/religious/awards/index.html

Our district has some pretty good CO's and the units from those churches/synaguogues usually will offer the class to any particpant who would like to participate in them. Contact information is on our website and is promoted by email and at roundtable by our district religious relations chair. We did have one den that talked about doing it as a den outside of their den meetings. The scouts were all from the same denomination and many attended the same church. One of the Mom's was trained as a facilitator and offered it to the den. In the end only 2 of the 6 actually did it. I personally would not do it during den meetings as it is not a BSA award. It is recognized by the BSA, but is still awarded by the scouts own church or faith. I know of one Pack that worked on theirs, they did not do much else..but that is another thread for another day

thanks emb021, All these different colors can get confusing at times, can't they. I wear my green backing for the service star and I should have known. I still have my green garters for the old socks. I just got confused as I had double checked my answer with a website that had said the colors were switched in the 80's. So I switched the colors again so I got it wrong .....lol....Like my teacher used to say in school. Go with your first answer on a test. I tend to overthink my answers. http://www.loosahatchie.com/Loose3.htm Has the orignal question been answered? or is it still a mystery? I have seen the new Boyce award.. Looks nice

If you enjoy it, have the time to do it, and the pack wants you to continue, then do it. What does your son/family think about your continuing with the pack? . On a seperate note. Each Pack needs to have a succession plan, so that it does not find itself without trained and experienced leadership. We try and have someone from each den level involved with the program. Is there a den popcorn kernel who can take over for the Pack popcorn kernal. Will the ACM be able/willing to take over for CM. Two-deep leadership is there for safety reasons, but also for continuity of leadership

If you enjoy it, have the time to do it, and the pack wants you to continue, then do it. What does your son/family think about your continuing with the pack? . On a seperate note. Each Pack needs to have a succession plan, so that it does not find itself without trained and experienced leadership. We try and have someone from each den level involved with the program. Is there a den popcorn kernel who can take over. Will the ACM be able/willing to take over for CM. Two-deep leadership is there for saftey reasons, but also for continuity of leadersip

The three colors of the Webelos stand for yellow/gold (cubs), red (Boy Scouts) and green (old exploring, probably means venturing now). I read in a ceremony once that blue and gold symbolized the past and the red and green were the future. Not sure if that is for real or someone made that up or how it relates to the color selection. Blue and Gold is sgnificant in many of the cub leader awards, not sure which award was made up first, so maybe they had to use colors not already used

I'm confused, if the troop has not had a meeting in two years, do they have any scouts or an actual troop? As a cubmaster, I do believe though that the bridging ceremony falls within the pack responsibilites , but works with the troop(s) to coordiate the event (a partnership). However the troop(s) usually have a vested interest in the event (gaining new scouts) I would agree with Beavah on passing that on to the PLC,let them know that your troop is boy run and they will make the decision about what to do. If they do decide to do it then they are not burning any bridges (pun) and still might be able to recruit the boys in the process. What is Troop A's leadership position on this? I would think they would want to work with the new incoming webelos. As the cub CC, the other SM does have the ears of the scouts and parents Have you spoke with the parents of the Webelos? It sounds like they want to start a new troop (although saving the old troop in the process) Have you discussed this with your UC,DC or DE. I am sure they don't want to lose a unit, but I also find it dfficult to see how one pack can effectively feed two troops. The math doesn't work quite right

common sense would also tell us that these young scouts should not be hanging out in front of the store in just their uniforms in a cold january as well. As we are into April already, is this something they planned on doing next year or is this something they already did?

My understanding is that raffles or games of chance are not in compliance with fundraising guidelines. Since no approval was obtained either from CO or council then the answer is definitly not in compliance with BSA rules. Here are the rules from the application http://www.scouting.org/forms/34427.pdf 10 GUIDES TO UNIT MONEY-EARNING PRO J E C T S The way in which a unit earns money to carry out its program is of great importance in the education of youth members in basic va l u e s. W h e n ever your unit is planning a money - earning project, this checklist can serve as your guide. It will be helpful to you as you fill out the application.If your answer is yes to all the questions that follow, it is likely the project conforms with Scoutings standards and will be approved. 1 . H ave your unit committee and chartered organization approved your project, including the dates and the methods ? There should be a real need for raising money based on your units program . We should not engage in special m o n ey - e a rning projects merely because someone has o f fered us an attra c t i ve plan. I t s important to remember that individual youth members are also expected to earn their own way. The need should be over and above n o rmal budget items covered by dues. 2 . Do your plan and corresponding dates avoid competition with money - raising effo rts and policies of other u n i t s, your chartered organization, your local council, and United Way ? C h e ck with your chartered organization representative to make certain that your chartered organization agr e e s on the dates and type of fund-ra i s e r. The chart e r e d organization representative can also clear the other dates by calling the council service center. 3 . Does your plan comply with local ordinances; is it free from any association with gambl i n g ; and is it consistent with the ideals and purposes of the Boy Scouts of A m e ri c a ? M o n ey - raising projects that include the sale of ra f f l e t i ckets are in violation of this policy. This question can be answered only in terms of specific p r o p o s a l s. If there is a ny question of its suitability, contact your local council service center for assistance. 4 . If a commercial product is to be sold, will it be sold on its own merits and without reference to the needs of Scouting, either directly (during sales presentations) or i n d i r e c t l y ? Teaching youth members to become self-reliant and to e a rn their own way is an important part of training our youth members. The official unifo rm is intended to be wo rn pri m a rily fo r use in connection with Scouting activities. H oweve r, the u n i fo rm may be wo rn in connection with council-sponsored product sales progra m s. 5 . If tickets are sold for any function other than a Scouting event, will they be sold by your youth members as individuals without depending on the goodwill of Scouting to make this sale possibl e ? T i ckets may be sold by youth members in unifo rm in the name of Scouting for such things as pack show s, troop suppers, circuses, ex p o s i t i o n s, and similar Scouting eve n t s. 6 . E ven when sales are confined to parents and fri e n d s, will they get their money s wo rth from any product they p u r c h a s e, function they attend, or services they receive from your unit? Here again is the principle of value receiveda sale standing on its own meritso that the recipients are not in any way subsidizing either Scouting or the memb e r.Youth members must learn to pay their own way and to honestly earn the money to do it. You cannot p e rmit anyone to use the good name of Scouting to sell a product. 7 . If a project is planned for a particular area, do yo u respect the right of other Scouting units in the same n e i g h b o r h o o d ? I t s a courtesy to check with neighboring units or the local council service center to coordinate the time of yo u r project and to see that you arent cove ring their terri t o ry. Your unit commissioner can help you with this. 8 . Is it reasonably certain that people who need wo rk or business will not lose it as a result of your units plan? Your unit should neither sell nor offer services that will damage someones live l i h o o d . If possibl e, check with the people who may be affe c t e d . 9 . Will your plan protect the name and goodwill of the Boy Scouts of America and prevent it from being capitalize d on by promoters of show s, benefits, or sales campaigns? Because of Scoutings good reputation, customers ra r e l y question the quality or price of a product. U n c h e cked, the n e t wo rk of Scouting units could become a beehive of commercial interest to the neglect of character bu i l d i n g and citizenship tra i n i n g . 1 0 . If any contracts are to be signed by your unit, will they be signed by an individual without reference to the Boy Scouts of America, and in no way appear to bind the local council, the Boy Scouts of America, or the chart e r e d organization to any agreement of financial responsibility? B e fore any person in your unit signs a contract, he must make sure the venture is legitimate and wo rt hy. I f a contract is signed, he is personally responsibl e. H e cannot sign on behalf of the local council or the Boy Scouts of America, nor may he bind the chart e r e d organization without its written authori z a t i o n . If yo u r e not sure, check with your local council service center for help.

As a youth my 3 would be 1979 Philmont Trek 1980 Essex International Jamboree 1982 Finishing my Eagle right before my 18th birthday runner ups The OA tapout campfires at MA-Ka-JaWan and spring stroll backpacking the Land Between the Lakes As a Scouter My son earning his God and Family award Attending Wood Badge After every district event I help plan

Good idea, but couldn't the unit (T, P or C) , take the same money and set up a uniform account for the scout instead. I believe it would be better administered at that level.

Steel wool and a lantern battery works good. You need to make sure ou have a good "birdsnest" and kindling on top of the steel wool though. When it is time to light the fire , throw the ashes from the last campfire into the campfire as someone out of site touches the cables to the batteries

This is one reason I like email. Mom and Dad are both have the opportunity to be on my distibution list. Both get the same messages. I have some married couples who I need to do this for as well. I've had instances when Mom forgot to tell Dad about something and Johny missed the activity

We had our crossing over ceremony last night. Nice affair. We 13 boys from our pack , plus one Webelos from another Pack crossed over to 3 different troops. We had the OA come out and do the ceremony for us, campfire , tiki torches and with cookie cake afterwards. This was my fourth ceremony a Cubmaster, looking forward to the next one when my son gets to crossover

Not to get into the politics of it all or who or what is right, but will the SM allow some Boy Scouts from the other unit to attend. They could recieve the 2 new scouts.

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and don't forget the District Pinewood Derby. In most districts I have seen siblings and parents racing. Lets stop them from racing too. Are we talking about the same type of patches. I am referring to particpation patches one might get.(If the pack wants to buy them) Not Achievement patches (awards) There are activities that the family members can partipate in even if they are not card carrying members. and yes if you reread my posts on this thread , there are activities that should just be for the boys.. (age/gender approriate) Lions- coed bad idea, IMHO