Thanks for the replies. we had a good ceremony, even thought I couldnt find the one I wanted to use. As for upsetting certain groups or individuals. If someone feels the need to be offended, I can offer that in no way do we as leaders try to offend anyone, its all about the kids having a good time. We even did a bobcat ceremony, and despite what bsa corperate says, we flipped the boys upside down. But only after explaining to the parents what we were gonna do, and if they objected, we wouldnt have done it. Luckily everyone loved the ceremonies except one packer fan in a nearby camp site.
Craig