It doest'y matter if we are car camping, water focused, hiking, treking, biking or backpacking as long as we are DOING something. These kids are talked to all the time anymore. They don't get to do things.
Doing things with kids takes time, something we have less of every year. Doing things involves risk, something we tolerate less of every year. Doing things involves effort, something we tend to put out less of every year.
The second issue of values. Be a stand up man!!!! That is every point of the scout law rolled into one action. Not perfect. Just Stand UP. Let them know you care about them. Keep it Simple. Teach them by your actions, and you won't need to say a word.