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Lisa, Does the COR and CC know the issues that you are having with the troop? And does your troop have a UC?

This is not one of them, I have seen those. Going by colors of the wreath, eagle, and first class outline, it would be an assistant district commissioner patch.

BDPT00, See the "Scout Leader Uniform Inspection Sheet", here http://www.scouting.org/filestore/pdf/34048.pdf, under Right Pocket - Temporary insignia on the second page for what Eagle92 quoted.

Does anyone know anything about this patch? http://pmimages.worthpoint.com/thumbnails2/1/0607/12/1_c48a7c84037fd5b09dbfb03a282f98f6.jpg

I know in my area a lot of people get hung up on two deep leadership. For example, you cannot have a troop meeting without two adults, or you cannot have a den meeting without two adults in the room. Two deep leadership only applies to trips and outings, from the G2SS "Two registered adult leaders or one registered leader and a parent of a participant, one of whom must be 21 years of age or older, are required on all trips and outings" I think this must be a no one on one contact issue. Well what about scoutmaster conferences, yes they have to be in sight of other people, but are supposed to be out of earshot, will we now have to have a third party listen to the scout and scoutmaster during the conference to make sure he is not verbally abused?

I got the same thing, along with email after email. I believe it is a fundraiser for NESA, but it is legit. The price also put me off.

I forgot this on my first post. The BSA has a supplemental training course titled "Orientation for New Boy Scout Parents", you can take a look at it here, http://www.scouting.org/scoutsource/BoyScouts/TrainingModules/OrientationforNewBoyScoutParents.aspx

Boy Scouts is completely different than Cub Scouts. Here is what the ideal troop would look like. The troops is ran though the PLC, patrol leaders council, which includes the senior patrol leader, assistant senior patrol leader(s), patrol leaders,and troop guide(s). The PLC makes the plans for the troop, with the Scoutmaster provides direction and coaching. The Scoutmaster submits the plans of the PLC to the Troop Committee. This is not for approval or rejection, unless the plans violate some BSA policy or such, but to make the plans happen. The committee might suggest alternate date because of some conflict, say that the troop will need to have some sort of fund raising activity to fun the activity, ect, but their job is to make sure the PLCs plans happen. The troop meeting should be organized into 7 sections Preopening- Before the meeting starts, this can be a game or activity to keep the boy active until the meeting starts Opening Ceremony Skills Instruction- New scouts work with their troop guide on basic scouting skills. Experienced and older scouts work on more advanced skills or work with the new scouts on basic skills. Patrol Meetings- Review patrol assignments for upcoming activities and meetings, plan patrol activities, etc. Interpatrol Activity- A game played between the patrols. Closing- The Scoutmaster gives a Scoutmasters Minute, and the closing ceremony. After the Meeting- PLC meets to discuss how the meeting went, next weeks meeting, and upcoming activities. The senior patrol leader should be running the meeting, with support and coaching from the scoutmaster. Adults should not have any involvement in the meeting, unless asked to do so by the senior patrol leader, or patrol leader or troop guide in a patrol meeting. The Scoutmaster uses this time to do Scoutmaster Conferences and work with the Senior Patrol Leader make sure meeting runs smooth. As you can see for the most part the boys run the meeting, proving one of the methods of Boy Scouts, leadership development. Ideal troops are few and far between, but if you visit a troop that the meeting is entirely ran by adults, they are not giving the boys all that scouts is about and I would recommend looking elsewhere. Parents can still be involved. You can talk to the Committee Chair and see if you can be on the committee. You can sign up as a ScoutParent, which means that you are there to help the troop whenever you can, the troop should have a ScoutParents coordinator for this to work though. Other than working behind the scenes, parents should not really be that involved with the troop. This program is about letting the boys learn leadership skills and develop into young men.

"What do you do with a young boy who has a "severe irrational fear" of water that goes over his knees? Lets even say that he has a clinically diagnosed phobia and is working with a psychiatrist to overcome his fear." The process for alternate requirements can be found here, http://www.scouting.org/scoutsource/BoyScouts/AdvancementandAwards/earlyalt.aspx I do not think a boy that you describe would pass "The physical or mental disability must be of a permanent rather than a temporary nature." He would need to work through his issues as described and for the reasons listed in this thread.

Acco hit the nail on the head, even though this thread is almost a year old. Adults are not required for this type of activity. This is from the G2SS Chapter 1 Youth Protection & Adult Leadership "Leadership Requirements for Trips and Outings Two registered adult leaders, or one registered leader and a parent of a participating Scout or other adult, one of whom must be at least 21 years of age or older, are required for all trips or outings. There are a few instances, such as patrol activities, when no adult leadership is required. " Now I do not advocate letting your new scout patrol go off on a 25 mile backpacking trip into the wilderness. This is your troops venture patrol, they should be able to handle this. If the leaders have any concerns 2 or 3 be in the follow up group, and they should only do this until the boys are able to do it on their own.

The troop is the scouts home, where he is registered. But, it is a two way street, the troop has to offer the boy a program that will keep him around. This is up the the PLC with advice and guidance from the scoutmaster, if the PLC is not doing the planning the troop has some deeper issues

BP, I agree that the COR only has a vote at the annual meeting, and is not a member of the exucitve board. I will also agree that he is listed on the units charter and not the councils. In spite of that, the Rules and Regulations of the Boy Scouts of America clearly state in Article VIII, Section 1, Clause 2: "Unit Scouters. All adult members registered with the unit, except the chartered organization representative who shall be considered a council Scouter." It has been clearly shown in three references(The Rules and Regulations, Insignia Guide, and the Uniform Inspection Sheet) that the COR is a "Council Scouter" or wears silver shoulder loops. If you can show me a in an official BSA publication that the COR is a unit scout or wear shoulder loops of the unit we can discuss this more, in the meantime SSScout brought up a good question "HOW do we get our CORs to take their roles seriously?" I wish every COR was involved. Every time I meet one, I invite them to the district committee meeting, not one has shown. I held a Training the Chartered Organization Representative course for my district. Everyone of the CORs in my district was personally called and invited, not one showed. I am thinking about trying another one, but call it something besides a Training session.

Before the Boy Scout position patches changed to tan, they were green. The Scouting Coordinators(the previous title for chartered organization representatives) was light blue, just like all other District and Council committee people. But now they are tan so that argument could go either way. After reading Article VIII, Section 1, Clause 2 of the Rules and Regulations(see Axmans first post) I just do not see how anyone can say that CORs are unit scouters.(This message has been edited by click23)

Before we hijack another thread, lets bring the discussion here. Some have argued that CORs are neither technically members of the district committee and do not wear silver shoulder loops. I know I have a better reference at home some where, but this is from the previous revision of the Female Adult Leader Uniform Inspection Sheet. "Blouse. Women wear the long- or short-sleeveblouse. Cub Scout leaders have the option of either theyellow or tan blouse.Boy Scout leaders wear the tanblouse. Venturing leaders wear the green blouse. Shoulder loops are worn on the epaulets according tothe position in which she is functioning, as follows: Blue- Cub Scouting Red- Boy Scouting Blaze- Varsity Scouting Green- Venturing Silver- District/council(including chartered organization representative) Gold- Region/national" And from the 2007 revision, not sure if it has been revised since then or not, of the "Rules and Regulations of the Boy Scouts of America" "Clause 7. In territory supervised by local councils, each chartered organization shall appoint a volunteer, other than the unit leader or assistant unit leader, as its chartered organization representative to represent it as a member of the district committee and as a voting member of the local council."

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SctDad, The link you gave is part of the Cub Scouts 2010 program, which is going to be released in May and implemented in the fall. It is just a sample to show scouters what is coming.(This message has been edited by click23)

Contact your districts training chair and see if they offer "Training the Chartered Organization Representative", I doubt it. If not you can read over the training material, http://www.scouting.org/scoutsource/Media/Relationships/TrainingtheCOR.aspx Being a COR is what you make of it, most around here just sign a application now and then. You are a voting member district committee and the council, thought not many CORs are ever seen attending those meetings. Your might also want to check out this award, http://www.legion.org/documents/pdf/squareknot_update.pdf

It appears to be used in the UK and her realms, so after a bit of filtering it appears that was used to be a position that was equal or the same as a exploring service team chair, from http://www.scouter.com/Archives/scouts-l/199512/0245.asp There also appears to be a district that is still using this position, http://www.talltimbersdistrict.org/commissioner-service/commissioner-staff

Not sure if this is the best place to put this or not, but what was a Division Commissioner? The Winter/Spring 2010 issue of "The Commissioner" has a good bit of information on the history of the Commissioner Service, which is also celebrating 100 years. Page 9 is titled "Commissioner Titles/Positions Through The Years", which includes Division Commissioner, which I have never heard of. Also shown in that article are the 2010 commissioner position patches that are coming out soon. While I do not care for the new rank patches, I really like these.

I can't wait until the 2010 interpreter strips are released. /sarcasm off

I do not believe there is one, but the scoutmaster can set this requirement.

My wife and I went last summer, we had a blast. We live between Knoxville and Chattanooga TN. We drove to Nashville and few into Colorado Springs, with a 1 hour lay over in Dallas, and then rented a car. Next time I will not drive to Nashville to save a few buck on air fair. With the cost of a hotel, diesel, and parking, next time we will leave out of Knoxville and the in laws can take us and pick us up from the airport, they live about 30 minutes away. We really enjoyed having a rental car. Wednesday was our free day, we went to Capulin Volcano National Monument, the adobe village in Taos, and Bandelier National Monument. We also drove around a couple of evenings finding good places to take pictures of PTC, base camp, the tooth of time, incoming storms, and scenery. One thing I wish I had known before I got there was how much stuff I was going to bring home. Plan one at least piece of luggage to carry notes, literature, souvenirs, t shirts, patches, cups, etc,etc. Luckily in my course they handed out the ScoutParents tote bags, and we used it. What course are you taking?

As an assistant district commissioner I tell scouters in my district that if I tell them something about a scout policy and cannot show them where the information comes from, in an up to date official BSA publication, then it is not policy. As a scoutmaster you should be able to dispel almost all myths with up to date copies of: Guide to Safe Scouting Advancement Committee Policies and Procedures Guidebook Scoutmasters Handbook Boy Scout Handbook

Here is # 6 directly from the Advancement Committee Policies and Procedures Guidebook When the completed application is received at the council service center, its contents will be verified and the references contacted. The Scout shall have listed six references (five if no employer, and parent if no organized religious association). The council advancement committee or its designee contacts the references on the Eagle Scout Rank Application, either by letter, form, or telephone checklist. (The council determines the method or methods to be used.) The candidate should have contacted individuals listed as references before including their names on the application. If desired by the council, the candidate may be asked to deliver a blank reference form and envelopes to the listed references. The candidates should not be involved personally in transmitting any correspondence between people listed as references and the council service center or advancement committee. If the initial reference letter or form is not returned to the council in a timely manner, the council advancement committee must make direct contact with the reference(s) listed on the Eagle Scout Rank Application on its own, by follow-up letter, phone contact, or other methods as it chooses. The candidate shall not be required to make a follow-up contact with the reference or submit other reference names. A Scout cannot have a board of review denied or postponed because the council office or council advancement committee does not receive the reference letter forms he delivered. This is my easier to read interpretation of that: 1. The scout contacts the reference. 2. Scout submits application, its contents are verified by the council and the references listed will be contacted by the council advancement committee or its designee. The only acceptable forms of references are letter, form, or telephone checklist. 3. If the council directs, the scout my deliver a blank reference form and envelopes to the listed references, but scout should not be involved returning the letter or form back to the council. 4. If the reference letters or forms are not returned to the council promptly, then the council advancement committee must contact the references listed on the eagle application. The scout is not required to make contact with references at this point or submit other reference names. 5. The scout may not have his EBOR denied or even postponed because the council has not received the reference letters.

Oak Tree said "surprisingly, there is no separate Sea Scout training award" For just about everything related to Sea Scout you have to look at www.seascout.org Here is the link to the Sea Scout Leader Training Award requirements www.seascout.org/for_leaders/adult_recognition/adult-award.html