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I have the plans for the building. Such good handwriting in early to mid 1960s. The lumber and logs were obtained from Grothe Lumber in Walden, CO. The total cost of logs and lumber, doors, etc. was $11,000.76. I will try to get these documents scanned and sent to you.

Good Morning Rick, There is sometimes information available at USFS office and especially as related to the USFS lease. I just looked at County parcel viewer and found nothing there. I found some drawings of Chimney Park facilties in council files and will look again soon to see what I can find for you. Ben

I attended NYLT course directors conference in 2021 and that was the fall that the tone of the training was decidely different. New rules regarding formation of patrols, absolutely no female youth to be in same patrol as male youth (remember perhaps that just the year before mixing sexes was encouraged for "diversity"). Had to have minimum number of female youth to have a patrol and if any youth female on course then had to be separate troop with at least 2 female youth staff and a female Scoutmaster and Asst. Scoutmaster. Why, we asked? Why the big change? The answer was 42 reported youth on youth sexual assaults on NYLT courses. That was just on NYLT courses, not other scouting activities. Of course the number of reported sexual assaults are generally much lower than total number that occur. If you want to think about liability with mixed gender units, then ponder how you defend yourself in court with a civil suit for not providing full time, around the clock supervision on outings and meetings. It was a very somber discussion at the course director's conference and no deviations allowed or you risk not being defended by BSA in court. No doubt there is also assault occurring in single sex units, and all of the liability is frightening.

Have written few different responses and deleted them. Conflicted about what to say. I had an exemplary experience in Scouting as a youth. Dedicated adults helping, great troop, Jambo, Philmont, and so on. Volunteered for several years even though I didnt have a youth in the program. Then was blessed with a son who participated and earned Eagle. So terribly sad that people who are/were not qualified to lead National and councils have been doing so. I have seen it first hand. I had to step away after decades. Lot of obstacles facing BSA including ever increasing costs to participate and maintain properties that have been negelected. Then there is the Summit. It is still hard to fathom how any group of people could have thought they could raise the money they convinced themselves they would get.

And last year they did big transfer for insurance, etc. as they changed compensation. The other elephant that doesnt seem to get much attention is payments coming due for Summit.

BSA is require to file monthly operating reports at the end of each month. There is a page in that report that provides operating costs. Generally ranges from $8 to $11 million per month. Was $134 million in all of 2021. The report provides expenses without bankruptcy costs. Interesting to see categories with net losses. Of all things, high adventure has been big loser, but nationwide shut downs impacted that a lot.

$198,046,270.81

In 2021 I attended NYLT course director's conference in the fal. It started off completely different than any other of the ones I had been to. Took just a short time before the questions were asked why it was different. The staff stated that in 2021 there were 42 complaints filed of youth on youth sexual abuse at NYLT courses. So that is the number of filed complaints, you know that is only part of the total number. And this is at the leadership training course where you hope that there is more maturity and composure. And attendance at NYLT is a fraction of attendance at summer camps. So, there is the counter to your "nobody got raped". I decided that I am not willing to participate when the risk of liability is too high. Personal choice of course.

I spent my high school years on the east side of Maury Pass and enjoyed visiting and camping Goshen Scout Reservation. Was part of big flood in 1985 when water had to be released from Lake Merriweather at the Reservation due to a large storm and it wiped out local roads and closed schools for weeks, what an adventure. Wish Goshen would have been more seriously considered for Jambo site since it is much closer to transporation, but there were a lot of factors in the decisions. This year I visited and helped out with two local camps, Ben Delatour Scout Ranch in northern Colorado, and Camp Buffalo Bill at the east entrance to Yellowstone. Encouraged by the efforts that are being put forth at both camps by donors and volunteers.

As of Friday July 8 the total is $185,592,097.15. That is 80% of the billed hours and all expenses. Will have to see if the attorneys, etc. get the other 20% at the end of the bankruptcy.

I am not sure what country you are living in. Giving something is not free market. That is wealth redistribution.

The crying shame of it all is that the DOJ says the settlement isn't legal. What if the judge says go back to the drawing board?

Take a look at some of the resources that were presented in the references as the new merit badge came out. One showed a graphic of 3 people trying to pick apples. The tall one had no box, the shorter had a medium sized box, and the short one had a tall box so they all could get the apple. That is what counselors were to teach per BSA's own references. That means everybody gets the lake. and everybody gets to go to jamboree.

If we are to truly have equity, then our neighboring council needs to pay our council so that our camp can have both a lake and a swimming pool. They have them, so we need them too so that the outcome is all the same. So shall we ask council x to pony up for council y? And shall I ask all of the scouts in a unit to contribute to support the less fortunate? Every one of the scouts should be able to afford the $4,600 to go to jamboree next year if we redistribute the resources, right? Go explain that one in the new merit badge.

I started keeping track early and was fascinated by the proposed monthly amounts the various firms were stating they would charge. Nearly every day I review the dockets including pay applications submitted. Based on 80% recovery (actual billing) as of yesterday the total is $159,052,158.67. That will be plus or minus a few cents.

I lived through affirmative action already. Had enough and wont participate again. Until you have been part of reverse discrimination.....

This is indeed a tough one. After rough, rough year with covid, as of October 2021 the deline from October 2020 nationwide was 20.48%. Mergers will continue with 39 councils having youth numbers under 1,000 members and larger councils having large losses. 71 councils had 25% or greater loss over that time frame despite aggressive membership push. Only 9 councils met recruitment goals. Scouting has nearly always been a local program and councils with active local program have done better. But as they consolidate and there is less local program the sense of community will continue to decline and CTD will likely accelerate (circle the drain). The program has become near impossible to pull off both with Cubs and Scouts with new leaders. Geez, tough even for experienced Scouters to keep up with all the changes and requirements. Look at how long the advancement chart is now for Scouts to mark down progress. Used to be 24 inches long, now it is at least twice as long. Scouts look at that and sigh, I'll never be able to get it done. Then you add in the fact (well documented) that each time BSA has tried to make social changes there has been a drastic decline in membership. Well, here we go again with DEI. I know that there are folks who like it, but many think that people should acheive and stand on their own two feet, not be given welfare in one form or another. That may not be a popular statement, but if you look at what Equity means, then my council camp should have a swimming pool just like the council down the road. Yet their camp still is having trouble with signups for 2022. Some of us old timers are not happy and we have been the ones to help mentor the younger adults coming into the program and help them navigate the morass that is BSA online systems and program. This old timer sent the national key 3 a resignation letter and that leaves a little bit bigger gap in meeting the needs of Scouting, but I can't stomach anymore DEI and still abide by the Scout Law. In the meantime national advancement folks have devalued and diluted the importance of camping and the experience in decision making Scouts get from camping. That dilution has had a catastrophic effect. Camps are closing at an alarming rate and there are councils without resident camps now. With no sense of direction and the disaster of national thinking they can do anything online (like take on chartering) the ship is sinking lower and lower in the water.

I have been tracking the pay applications posted on Omni since it started. As of today total is $113,019,917.65. Vast majority are 80% of what can be invoiced. Interesting to track the BSA monthly reports as well to compare year to year revenue and expenditures.