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Any idea how many participated in the Coalition Best of Breed dog show? Humphrey said Thursday’s TCC TH had over 1100.

I’m glad to hear this. Green shoots that scouting will survive and thrive because the dedicated unit volunteers are the heart of scouting. BSA was formed by Congress ostensibly to ensure “high standards” are met. Here we are as a result. Smaller scale scouting will allow for experimentation and differentiation in programs and risk prevention. As for insurance, you can get it but it won’t cover sexual abuse. Those exclusions are near universal now. Knowing of the risk exposure makes people and organizations more careful which is a good thing.

From AIS or Eisnenberg Rothweiler? Kosnoff is violently opposed. I’d wait for his letter if you are on the fence.

Kosnoff is not that smart.

What background about "Anderson" can you provide? Many may not understand the reference, nor do I. Jeff has been around the block more than a few times. His focus has been on the Catholic Church for decades but he has several hundred scout clients in NY, NJ and CA where he focused his ad buys. He’s represented several high profile clients and been in high profile cases like Penn State and the MSP ARCH bankruptcies. He’s a real showboat often over promising and under delivering. We’ll see what happens today at his presser. The expected and intended defense has a high evidentiary bar. It is more than gross negligence. Generally it requires an intent to cause the harm (here the abuse of children). with BSA it was an intent to prevent scandal and lawsuits. The consequence was the rape of boys for many generations. How close to the line will the whistleblower’s testimony go?

I’m concerned as well Re blowing coverage on expected and intended. Fortunately I don’t believe Anderson would be that reckless. But who knows how evil and deliberate the beans that he spills reveal. can’t wait to see the movie.

Is that too late? The ballots are printed and going out.

McGowan probably had him axed, screwed him out of his pension and thought MJ would continue being silent.

Smith wasn’t Youth Protection Director for ten years if memory serves. It has to be MJ.

Was the Bates White analysis Re #2 strictly pertaing as to BSA or did it include the liability exposures of the LCs and COs which in many situation were much greater than BSA’s? Do you follow?

Kosnoff’s subpoena issued out of Central CA bankruptcy court, not Silverstein. It’s all privileged information he’s seeking. So when Kosnoff objects and Tanc moves to compel, what does he think that judge is going to think. And does he think a CA bankruptcy court will even get to it before way next year? Not sure I see the logic of it.

I disagree. BSA's mistakes, in-action, and deliberate actions, absolutely have responsibility in this predicament, but are the actual abuser not responsible for some of the predicament? You haven’t bothered to study the history. This was a civil conspiracy to conceal the sexual abuse of children that continued for a century. It was child endangerment on an epic scale. The pedophiles are the wild beasts with uncontrollable obsessions. What generations of executives did in keeping it secret from scouts and the public is indefensible.

You are misreading me. I don’t do “fair”. I look at market rates for abuse cases. The plan is nowhere near market. I don’t much care what happens to BSA. It is 100% responsible for its predicament. I’m fine with a BSA only plan. But BSA is a dead man walking but if it can start over with some property and operating income I don’t care. My point is that it is now an impediment to survivors getting market rate compensation and I want it to exit stage left.

The key to it is that it puts the survivors in a stronger position of leverage against the carriers and the COs. I know folks here are fixated on the SOL defense in many states but that is an abstraction. The value of claims in window states and discovery states alone is massive. Add to that that insurance carriers have a near absolute legal duty to defend albeit under a reservation of rights, the financial risks to these carriers if all these cases go back into the tort system, it is a nightmare scenario for them. That is the posture a resounding NO vote will put the TCC IMO.

Survivors can do better. There is a path. But BSA has to be gone first whether toggle or 7. The TCC plan is coming and once you understand the logic of it, you’ll be a certain NO vote on 5.0

I agree. I guess when is the question. Do they wait until the ballot tabulations are announced 12/21? If 5.0 fails to garner 2/3 of non-quick pay votes, isn't the choice for BSA to go to the toggle or Ch 7?

TCC Town Hall Thursday 8 pm Eastern https://pszjlaw.zoom.us/j/82272826295 (no registration required) or Phone number: 888- 788-0099(Toll Free), Webinar ID: 822 7282 6295. At this Town Hall, the TCC will discuss: (1) Solicitation Materials and Voting Ballots and (2) the TCC’s recommendation on how to vote

Not tidbits.

I had the same premonition. Cheap settlement with Century. Hearing gives Rothweiler a stage on which to strut and cluck.

Welcome to this forum. It is exceptional. Your son is in statute as a minor regardless of it being a gray state. The various gray state columns are for men who are out of statute based on age or their chance of recovery in a lawsuit brought in that state because of its SOL rules. There are many minors in this case. BSA and the local councils have not factored the minor cases in considering the sufficiency of the local council contributions. Your son falls in a category that is probably a NO vote on this plan. He’d do much better depending on the facts suing the LC and charter org in that state.

If Mr K is so low in your opinion, why would he oppose the Coalition/BSA Plan where he would stand to make tens of millions of dollars? He has a substantial contingent fee interest in 17000 clients. Is your devotion to the BSA so extreme that it clouds your perspective of reality? Have you bothered to study his record? If not, you have no integrity to accuse him the way you have, Mr Boy Scout Skeptic

It’s not working.

Wasn’t the hearing supposed to start again today at 1 pm eastern?

A little complicated but here goes: assuming the parishes were not separately incorporated COs, the discharge in bk of the diocese discharged and channeled all claims arising before the diocese’s bankruptcy petition date are discharged or fall in to the future claimant category. Abuse occurrences occurring after the effective date of the discharge, could be brought against the diocese. That’s my understanding.

Not so. You identified the 900 pound gorilla in the room. It is the kiss of death for this Plan. All claimants will do what you do, divide the pot by the number of claims and vote the check box that says “Heck, no! These bankruptcy lawyers may all be Ivy League but they don’t know boo about people.