RobertCalifornia

At one time, there was a calculator to help determine a payout based on state and degree of abuse. Not sure where it was....but I’m still waiting on how much and when!

No news at all? After daily posts for over two years, it is strange that all the conversations have ended. I guess everyone is just waiting for what’s next?

I thought the Hartford and Century contributions would increase substantially. They are sickeningly low. What is the accuracy of this BSA calculator now? https://www.bsarestructuring.org/estimated-potential-payment-calculator/ Seems like there may have been an additional calculator at a law firm website.

I would argue the physicians did not desire or even know how to do the work of the lower paid staff. And, as you said, it was temporary. Some of those staff might have preferred to collect the state and federal unemployment for awhile too! SE’s are fully capable of doing a program or executives jobs as required. However, a DE or a office assistant is not remotely qualified to do the job of a SE.

And what Council is this? Poor leadership in my opinion. Cut some staff and reassign some responsibilities if needed. Cut some staff and services as needed. Don’t work for less than you have earned and deserve. Name another business that does that. That council will merge with another when the dust settles. Districts are expected to serve a certain number of youth, units, and be financially sustainable. If not, cut the position and leave it open, or merge districts. Don’t take away a person’s income and personal self worth. Scout executives salaries are set by the local board and council salaries are based on classification which is a reflection of membership, units, funding, etc. Everybody is on a 30 day notice contract, so I suppose a salary could be adjusted at end of year. But again, if membership drops to nothing, the SE should be the last to go. You let go district executives and office staff first and adjust.

There has always been an attitude that council and national office employees and boards are just idiots. Those employees don’t know the real world and we are not following their rules. It doesn’t matter if it is dodgeball, squirt guns, separate sleeping tents, bee keeping, swimming, or youth protection....there is always a group that will break the rules and do their own thing. More Youth will be molested in BSA.

CS is the only reason this topic has educated anyone to the extent that it has. Some of you are witty and knowledgeable, but not very analytical at a USAToday level. So how is the patch trading market currently? Have BSA patches increased in value, about the same, or there is lack of interest? I have some to move.

Anyone received the packet yet? i have no desire for my spouse to question the package. I have delayed an out of town trip for two weeks now. It looks like I’ll need to wait again. Also, the transcripts from town halls have been updated. I missed a lot on the 7th after zoom 1 hour shutdown. Patiently waking for CS to return with his comments, even those I may not like or agree. Lawyers and moderators are not on my gift list.

My observation is the moderators on this site are half crazy. I've never seen so much editing and censorship. Some attorneys are lions and some are vultures. Let people speak their mind. Placing CS in some kind of delayed post prison is silly. Nobody would understand 1/2 of this case without his posts. We sure don’t need his posts censored and whitewashed. Are the moderators simply jealous of his posts? If BSA fails, what will the moderators do? Sit around in green shorts and red jackets trading old antique patches?

When should a claimant receive the court mailing? I’m on my own without an attorney and I have not received anything yet. I thought October 15 was mentioned somewhere. I missed the TCC meeting. I hope they post the video today.

Here is a TCC Town Hall observation and a suggestion for the committee. i don’t know who is compiling their written transcripts, but they are ridiculously slow. I could compile the transcript in just a few hours of typing. Are Zoom meetings limited to one hour only? If not, perhaps they can throw a few more dollars to Zoom to fully record the meeting! i look forward to getting my packet and voting to REJECT the BSA plan.

There seem to be a lot of rabbit holes in this topic. As I understand now, RSA 1.0 is gone. There is a RSA 2.0 working wirh the CO’s included that can be killed if nobody’s happy. Are the grey shade state tiers still in play? Or, the sol’s are back to 1% equity? The “how much and when” part is where I want to arrive!

So my takeaways from the TCC zoom meeting… BSA plans to file a RSA by midnight today if so, TCC will have another zoom meeting tomorrow night. Only 5000 claimants do not have a lawyer. SOL victims are going to get the short end of the stick with insurance settlements.

Councils should keep copies of their board minutes and insurance policies. But, how many of those records are actually complete? How many scout executives just shredded those old records on their way out the door so they could leave the next guy a cleaner office?

Fees are fees I suppose. However, it does seem like BSA has dragged their feet. For instance, why are so many claimants still not assigned to a state or council? It is not difficult to ascertain if a person lived in X town or attended X camp in X year, there is a high probability that person was in X council. We know membership records were not computerized unless someone typed those names into databases. We know councils can shred paper copies of membership forms after 3 years. I just wonder how good the national records are for the past. We know there are people that participated in scouting, yet because mom did not sign the form or send money...that scout never was registered. There are plenty of people who confuse the boys and girls club with scouting. And, the club could have had a scout group. Same for the Royal Rangers and other groups who will sometimes claim to be a scout until person digs deeper and finds out it is not a BSA group. BSA laid a bunch of people off last year and many got severance. You would think that the national office would want to use people vs. paper scanners to plug in and research the missing data. The TCC has stated that people will write the council name in the wrong area. But because the council name is left blank where the scanner reads then a council is not assigned. At this point, I would sure hope that humans are updating the data.

Now that I think about it, it sure would be nice if there was a platform where the claimants could speak to and amongst themselves. This forum has been the single best place to learn anything about the case, but it only serves as a place to be cordial and meet on the battlefield. I carried the torch for Scouting for many years. I do hope BSA survives and becomes more relevant for today’s families. America needs the values expressed in the movement. However, I’m a bit disappointed that national BSA is not losing a HA base. It is the policies of the national BSA that is leading to camp losses for local councils. It is local councils and their community volunteers that will carry the burden of rebuilding. Once the final bankruptcy format is adopted and BSA/LCs carry on with their business, I’m guessing that most current scouters will basically not think very much about the trust and insurance battles to come.. I certainly can’t blame them. The BSA bankruptcy is a business deal for their survival and rebirth. Myself and others were dragged into the mess, so I’m now looking for due compensation. Greedy insurance companies are something that I look forward to fighting. Those guys have made billions and I’d love to see 1/2 of that 103b go to victims.

Don’t know. I’m still learning. However, I believe the TCC and the appointed trustee do have a fiduciary duty to get as much settlement as possible for each legitimate claim. I could possibly think hard and add more details to my claim, but all the proof is already there. I could go back and write a couple of pages of speculation on why certain things may not have gone exactly the way I had planned for my life. I never really blamed anything in my life that happened to me on the incident. Perhaps I should if it will help the bottom line. I am very reluctant to hire a lawyer at this point just because a TCC lawyer said that might be a good idea. Now, that could change as I learn more. I would also think that their % could be negotiated if I am the party bringing them into a party where they were not invited yet.

(deleted) I’ll just keep waiting on the TCC’s summation and pass the time eating my popcorn as we learn which camps are selling so we can get closer to....how much and when?

I had hoped BSA would lose a high adventure base as a real lesson. Leader says ....let’s go to Seabase. Ugh...there is no sea base. What? When did that happen? You know...the bankruptcy molestation settlements. What???

No memorials please! Just send me a large insurance check and let me move on. Thank you.

When exactly is the next scheduled court date?

When you put it like that...how can they not sell some HIgh Adventure lands? We were so close to 100 pages! Waiting....how much and when?

I understand all of the negligence. You do a great job educating us. I was dragged into this mess. At this point, I want to know how much and when. I want to see some very large insurance settlements....billions. I’m happy to keep buying popcorn, camp cards, sending fos, and purchasing bricks and canoes in build a new camp capital campaign. There is no better youth program to expose kids to all types of careers, hobbies, and adventure than BSA. I also believe the BSA YP program can be improved but is still better than any other program I’ve seen. Follow the rules and kids will be safe. Don’t, and there will be more abuse. And, there will be more abuse because the world is imperfect. I’m tired of the legal wrangling and how long the process takes. Let’s see the TCC plan. Send all the plans out. I’ll decide which one gets my vote.

I’ve watched enough Ellen Brochavich and John Grisham movies to know that insurance companies will do just about anything not to pay up. I wonder how many fraudulent claims were submitted by persons hired by the insurance companies?

Wow, that is quite the read. Maybe it takes letters like it to move the case forward. Unfortunately, 90% of that letter is just opinionated and uneducated BS. It is obvious that he is unfamiliar with nonprofit budgets and he has never seen a detailed council statement....pages and pages for every little event etc is accounted for and budgeted annually. Councils could benefit from sharing their board minutes and financial statements with those who have an interest. If they did, then maybe units could better understand why councils love for thier troops to attend the council camp vs. paying more to go out of council. Most people have no clue what the professionals do and don’t really care. Those who do, let them know they are crazy for working the hours and handling all the small and large issues they deal with on a daily basis. The turnover rate is crazy. Those that survive and do a good job are recognized and eventually move from mid 30k a year into 40, 50,60 and 70, 80 in management roles. Camp fees....$350 for a week at camp. Go down the road to a YMCA camp and it’s 1200 for basically the same schedule with some judo lessons thrown in. it does not take a genius to figure out why fees have increased from 12 to 70...insurance has gone from 30million to a hundred million annually. Of the 270 councils, I would just guess that over 50% of Scout Executive /CEO’s earn less than 130k a year. This would be after 20 years working in various roles and possibly moving their wives and families to new homes in different districts and councils unless they were lucky enough to work in a big council where promotions were available. Try buying and selling your home 4 times with no help or support like many for profit corporations would do. If you are lucky, the council will throw you some change to help move, but only top management and scout executives are going to have a full pack moving truck. If you want talent, you pay for it. Now national is different. However, the top paid execs are not completely out of line for the company’s size. The current ceo was selected to handle and move the bsa through this bankruptcy. It’s the first time a “professional” has not been the chief scout. The top execs at national were compensated well. But, an area director is likely an experienced former scout executive that “managed” 8-10 councils in thier area. They travel a lot and do a bunch of nasty HR junk. Some like it and some use it as a stepping stone to jump into thier next Scout Executive role in a large 100-200 class council. That is where the big salaries are for scout executives. But don’t blame BSA, the local board hires them and approves their salary. Every private and sergeant thinks the first lieutenant is an idiot and some may be. Too many uninformed scouters think the district executive is that first lieutenant. All the private’s, sergeants, and lieutenants think the majors and generals are overpaid and useless. Local councils are going to have to rebuild their memberships and staffs when all this is over. I’m not so sure that attacking the local fundraising efforts will do anyone a favor. I am sure that some councils will mortgage thier camps before they ever sell them. Or, they will get someone friendly to scouting to buy it. If not, oh well. Whoever said that preachers and council employees should work for peanuts? Do popcorn profits not lower camp fees? Does FOS not keep fees low? How many Boy Scouts in a Troop now were recruited into cub scouts at a school night? That is one heck of a negative letter that seems to focus more on defunding the BSA vs. how the abuse affected him. It just pains me to see an organization that has done so much good for the community and our nation to be destroyed. There will be a lot of scouts placing flags on graves this Memorial Day weekend. Who is going to teach youth to honor our nation and our flag? It is not sports leagues and video games. Im ready to see the TCC plan. Let’s make BSA hurt and that includes some more pain for the councils...a lot more. But, lets not destroy the BSA to where they can’t even ask the community or a family to give to FOS for current support and to rebuild. BSA did some bad things. But, did BSA really do it? Evil pedophiles did it. I do believe the secret files were the best attempt to try and keep bad people out of Scouting during a time when society and technology maybe could not. None of the victims will receive any reasonable settlement from BSA national and the local councils. Period. The money is with the insurance companies. And, I have no problem asking them to pay. That is where the overpaid salaries are...the insurance companies.