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"BadenP lets keep it civil here please." No. Please, let the the colors of BadenP fly free. This association with Right (and expressed so emphatically and with such panache) is an honor to be accepted with humility and gratitude.

Whisper. -works occasionally.(This message has been edited by Callooh! Callay!)

Take the presidential election quiz and see which candidate you side with: http://www.isidewith.com/ One citizen's results: Gary Johnson 90% - on domestic policy, science, economic, environmental, and healthcare issues Mitt Romney 85% on domestic policy, immigration, economic, environment, and social issues Virgil Goode -76%, on economic, immigration, environmental, and social issues Barrack Obama, 52%, on environmental, science, and social issues American Voters in general - 54%, on domestic policy, foreign policy, environmental, economic, and social issues. By party: 90% Republican 75% Libertarian 51% Democrat 31% Green

"Trouble with us Americans..We think we control Everything." And yet one encounters this line of thinking so often that one begins to suspect the trouble is self loathing. Which is not to say that there aren't some foreign areas in which we're formally engaged... to our detriment. (This message has been edited by Callooh! Callay!)

"We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm."

Quoted from above: -------------- "Please state similar examples of power control by Democratic leadership.." Why? Will similar examples change your mind? A person sincerely wanting to know of such examples will research the matter themselves rather than entrusting the task (simple though it may be) to a character who writes "jibberish." Callooh! Callay! posts may occasionally illuminate things some wish weren't so. But this isn't a research service. The curious ought find sources written in a register they comprehend. Then, minds fortified with information on par with their vituperation, with reading practice and careful study, confusion could give way to clarity and their reading comprehension might improve such that these posts will no longer read as gibberish." Translation for the rest of us: "Ummm, I can't prove the BS I'm spouting so I'm going to continue to claim I'm right without providing any proof and demanding that you do my work for me". Typical tea bagger nonsense. ---------- End Quote: Begin continuation of "typical tea bagger nonsense:" Ah yes, that typical "tea bagger nonsense..." superior minds take on the task of translating it, lest its meaning go over the heads of sputtering ankle biters. And yet it's so inscrutable that even the translation reveals more about lefty logic than it does about tea-baggery. The little snippet of translation above tells us that in lefty logic, if one declines to be diverted from one's course in order to address a challenge to provide information already available to the challenger (and that the challenger is likely not receptive to anyway), then he must be spouting BS. It tells us that in lefty logic, if I pique your curiosity but then decline to serve you in the capacity of expositor and organizer of facts you're interested in (or actually not interesting in at all, but "requesting" anyway so as to busy me with a pointless errand), then it's me who is "demanding that you do my work for me." Do tell.

You're right about that... we do find greater diversity of thought among Republicans. If one wants to be among masses who strictly conform to the party line across a wide range of issues, the GOP isn't the place for that.

"letting me play the part of Horatius at the bridge." Hold the phone there, Horatius. Are you saying that in that battle, the Etruscans were excitedly milling about outside weapons' range, taunting Horatius and ostentatiously grappling with straw men while he speared a few fish over at the bridge before losing interest in fish confined to a barrel? Your Etruscans aren't engaging any truths you might defend at this bridge. They're not open to persuasion. They're making noise, setting straw men alight and boasting that they've proved something if you won't do the same. We find many of your Etruscans wielding personal narratives like.... "I'm a moderate and I've voted for candidates from both parties in the past..." or "I'm an independent..." Telling us these personal details as if this is evidence of how well considered and wise their political opinions are, when they might just as well be evidence of incoherence, instability, lack of guiding principle, failure to understand the difference between dependent and independent variables, vanity, wishful thinking, superficiality, susceptibility to being hornswoggled, or any number of other things. Approaching the bridge we did witness one self styled "old school conservative" speaking up for conservativism the way Marc Antony spoke "beholden to Brutus" at Caesar's funeral. One wonders that this transparent rhetorical artifice is still employed... and then one notices the audience... and surmises that maybe the council for the prosecution understands the jury. Oh look! ...a squirrel! http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/undecided-voter/1418227 (This message has been edited by Callooh! Callay!)

"Callooh! Callay!, since you seem to be a passionate critic of things liberal, help me out with my support for Romney. Please bring to the discussion what you think the positive aspects of his Presidency will be." Passionate? Maybe not so much as you've inferred. My vote for Romney will be perfunctory... not passionate. Positive aspects? Romney professes to be less eager to grow Leviathan. He'll have a tough fight against the current just to slow the rate. One may reasonably assume that his appointees and advisors will not be the likes of Eric Holder, John Holdren, Arne Duncan, Cass Sunstein, Susan Rice, Samantha Power, and Valarie Jarret. In my previous posts, I did not mention and did not have in mind the upcoming election. Who wins that election is not so important as what the results of that election indicate about us... the American people. We go astray from the principles of individual liberty (and responsibility) if we look to the President to be the center of problem solving, wealth and job creation, life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. No one should have that kind of power over us all.

"He denies the Holocaust happened. He denies the hijackers were really responsible for the September 11. He has said Israel should be wiped off the face of the earth. " Among some populations, those views are normal.

Yes, bristling with handles constructed of a quality of reasoning and attached to reality by a kind of logic exemplary of the left. The penultimate (as of this writing) Moosetracker post shows us just how firm is the left's grasp on matters.

"I'll help you out with the piddly few I have heard argued." Indeed, that does help.... the quality of reasoning and writing in that exposition is exemplary of a significant component of the left so far unmentioned in this discussion.

"Please state similar examples of power control by Democratic leadership.." Why? Will similar examples change your mind? A person sincerely wanting to know of such examples will research the matter themselves rather than entrusting the task (simple though it may be) to a character who writes "jibberish." Callooh! Callay! posts may occasionally illuminate things some wish weren't so. But this isn't a research service. The curious ought find sources written in a register they comprehend. Then, minds fortified with information on par with their vituperation, with reading practice and careful study, confusion could give way to clarity and their reading comprehension might improve such that these posts will no longer read as gibberish.

Why the phenomenon of vandalism directed at property advertising conservative affiliation? Knee jerk moderates will, in a disagreement over whether 2+2 equal 4 or 9, opine that it's probably 7. They're quick to remind us that "there are extremists on both sides." And there are. But having miscreants on both sides doesn't negate differences in tendencies. It's more than just that leftists tend toward conformism and an impulse to punish nonconformists. There are more reasons why Leftists tend to take particular offense at politics challenging theirs, and are more prone to think of the offense as a violation that justifies retaliation. Central (but often unacknowledged or even denied) in lefty politics is forced collectivism with few to no limits on government authority to do "good," to decide what's good and to force people to do it. For the leftist, the collective approach that solves some problems, should be applied to all problems... to all things. To leftists, if you're not part of THE solution to the problem (or worse yet, if you don't even think it's a problem), you are the problem. Some leftists excel in cold calculation when calculating how to gain power. But for most, politics is more about emotions, feelings, and wishes for good things than about cold, calculating efforts to actually build a good society. It's a juvenile approach to the world - thus the old saw about anyone who isn't a liberal as a youth has no heart and conservative later in life has no mind. So, with childish wonder and imagination, when the facts don't support their positions, they pretend... and they get angry at anyone who won't pretend along with them. Anything that reminds us of realities that undercut leftist fantasies of immanentizing the eschaton... anything that exposes the weak foundation of ostensibly good but impotent ideas that underlies their preening moral exhibitionism... anything like that is offensive to the point of blasphemy to many leftists. Along with this greater propensity to be offended, leftists are more prone to believe they have a right not to be offended. Conservative expression is for some of them, a trespass they think justifies retaliation.

->"if this is really a couple of guys with a well-intentioned effort, or a cleverly designed money-making operation."

If it's your role to do so, apply calm courteous assertive backbone to your approach and try not to hurt her feelings too much as you tell her she is doing wrong and being unkind to volunteers.

Another thread mentioned a photo being used (in ways that may or may not be covered by the Talent Release Agreement... What if for a Talent Release Agreement you check "no," or write in words to the effect that you are withholding rather than granting permissions and rights... what happens or doesn't happen differently that if you'd checked yes?

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->"I know a lot of Republicans who don't want to put bumper stickers on their car because they don't really like their own candidate all that much"

If these are serious courses in which the Scouts are meeting the full requirements (aka the minimum requirements)and have quality resources available to them to learn and do more through these programs, this is great. It speaks very well of the people of American Fork that they produce and support programs like this for their youth. (This message has been edited by Callooh! Callay!)

Son: Dad, did you hear what that man said to me... he said ""When BSA supports equality, then I'll support the Boy Scouts." and "I don't support prejudiced organizations." Dad: Hmmm.... equality? prejudiced? Whatever... he's probably some animal rights activist miffed because he can't register his dog as a Boy Scout; don't let his Eagles for beagles agenda bother you.

"in your situation but YOU are the exception and not the rule." More exceptions here apparently: We live on one income and we homeschool in an urban lower middle class neighborhood, in a rented home with less than 200 square feet per family member - with no cable, no satellite, no antenna. One vehicle and it's not new. We could easily afford a much more expensive lifestyle. We're frugal because our experience and our goals guide to be that way. We don't believe it's healthy to be overly attached to material possessions. We don't wish to display to others how well off we are. More ant, less grasshopper. So... it is exactly as Basement Dweller tells us when he says: "I still call that wealthy because they are doing that by choice." It's true. We do live this way by choice. Just as we made the choices earlier in life that have enabled us to have this choice now.(This message has been edited by Callooh! Callay!)

Unwilling parents? It seems unlikely you'd have success in getting them to help. You should have recruited more boys with willing ones. You're doomed to fail. Give up. But seriously... effectively leveraging the willing may be a better use of your time and effort than engaging the unwilling. Novel ideas for this would be interesting to read. But one suspects that the successful formula (or at least the one with chances of success) is the dull but effective tried and true.... communication, coordination, planning. There's some truth to the old saw "if you want something done, ask a busy person to do it." But take care not to burn out your best resources. Facilitate their decision to volunteer by having a program or schedule outlined and laying out an expectation that all will volunteer for at least X commitment from Y slots on a calendar/schedule with discrete slots they can choose from. For those slots, they'll be responsible for making the activity happen and have latitude to do it their way (within the bounds of safety, morality, and program appropriateness.) Have back up plan activities-in-a-box ready to go for when plans fall through and excuses phone in. Tell them frankly... "It's a family program. You don't help, program flounders. You do help, I'll help you help, and we'll make this a fun and successful program for all concerned." And then stand before them and deliver a speech like this:

->Callooh Callay, yeh lost me.First, this thread is about a troop where every boy got to First Class in five months with da troop only campin' quarterly. Not just one exceptional lad.

Ah - that makes sense. Scout quitting because program is substandard is a problem that might ought be addressed. Scout quitting because he has other priorities is possibly a loss to the troop but no shame either way.