InquisitiveScouter

LOL, no... and btw, has it worked?

When I first met our new SE, I asked him, "What is your biggest headache?" He answered, "When volunteers put on a uniform and think they know more than professionals." We changed the subject to other matters, and I observed him over the next few months. His actions confirmed the attitude. Our SE has a disdain for volunteers who have been in this council and active in Scouting for decades. (I have only been here a relatively short time.) The people he treats treats well? Donors $$ I have asked... most of those seasoned Scouters feel the same way about the SE. Not a great basis for a relationship... And most of them DO know more than any of our professionals.

Check out the "WORKFORCE RESOURCE GROUPS" https://www.scouting.org/about/diversity-equity-inclusion/ And ask yourself, what is the hidden message?

Agreed, because G2SS specifically prohibits MBCs in that role, as that is a District/Council role, versus a unit role...

Got it. Yes, all on the overnighter must be registered... The guidance (for the benefit of others) says this: "All adults staying overnight in connection with a Scouting activity must be currently registered as an adult volunteer or an adult program participant. Adult volunteers must register in the position(s) they are serving in." So, this gives you WIDE latitude, I think, because it is still quite vague. But, if you have two adults registered in the position they are serving in, then any other adults, registered in any capacity, should be fine. (Except those who are MBC-only, as they are explicitly prohibited.) So, some head-scratching questions with this loosey-goosey approach, for instance: 1) Could two 21-year old Unit Scouter Reserves serve as adult leadership for an overnight camping trip? As currently written, I say yes, if they are trained (YPT is the only requirement for them), and one of them has current Hazardous Weather training IAW G2SS. 2) Could two Committee Members serve as adult leadership for an overnight trip? Again, yes, as long as one of them has Hazardous Weather. 3) Could two District Committee members serve? No, because they are registered at the District level, and the overnight camp is a unit-level activity. That is, they are not "registered in the role".

If they say "yes", then why would a Merit Badge Counselor not fit the bill?? OR, if you have two "unit" registered leaders, could they have an MBC accompany them (say, on an overnight canoe trip to help teach and evaluate Canoeing Merit Badge), as long as the MBC is in that role versus in the role of adult supervision?? Isn't that what happens at council or national treks? (The Philmont Ranger, or council trek leader is not counted for two-deep, as they are not filling that role.)

Hello @Scout368, and welcome! Best of luck on your Eagle Scout Project!

They hint at it in the FAQ. National should come out and say it overtly in the G2SS. I'm still scratching my head as to why they do not. Communicating in plain English is a skill many have not yet mastered. 😜

This is what we call the "self-licking ice cream cone"

Yes, the G2SS does not say registered "with the unit", but that is the interpretation we have gotten here. And this makes sense... your CO should be the one approving who camps with the Scouts in THEIR (the CO's) program. This is also why you cannot do inter-unit activities with council approval. (Of course council WILL approve if your CO's approve...)

It depends... If you have a small Troop... say 15 Scouts or less, and you have the bandwidth, then maybe. Our Troop is larger. This job would be too much... so we have one person tagged to do all the Summer Camp admin support. - Registration of Troop - Putting in the Roster - Cat-herding the MB class sign ups - Sending out notices - Collecting the fees from family, coordinating payments to Camp, and recording it all in Scoutbook. - And swim checks prior to camp... We have a separate person handling all the medical forms and associated admin... Scoutmaster works with SPL (and PLC) to develop their program for the week: Troop swim, Troop shoot, hikes, competitions, any other events, etc listed in the Leader Guide...

LOL, check out the awards pinned to the pants...

And Cabela's / Bass Pro Shop

No. This is up to your unit leaders, as they are responsible for your health and safety. (This is their only established veto power 😜 ) Our policy is this: You should bring your knife on all outings, as it is part of your Scout Essentials. If you earned your Whittling Chip as a Cub Scout, you may use your pocketknife. If you did not, then you must complete Scout rank requirement 5: "Tell what you need to know about using a pocketknife safely and responsibly." before using your knife. (Usually done very quickly upon joining, even if they have Whittling Chip.) We expect Scouts to use their knives in order to learn how to use their knives 😜 Which usually leads to Tenderfoot 4a: Show first aid for the following: Simple cuts and scrapes (so we review that with them, too, early on) If you do not use your knife responsibly, we take it until the end of the outing. If you repeatedly use your knife in an irresponsible way, you may be held back from advancement. If you compromise the safety of others, you might no longer be in the Troop. (case by case basis on all... circumstances matter...) With ax and saw, the stakes are a little higher, so you must complete Tenderfoot 3d, "Demonstrate proper care, sharpening, and use of the knife, saw, and ax. Describe when each should be used." before use, unless you are part of a class... (again, usually done very quickly upon joining) Reviewed again for 2nd Class 2b: "Use a pocketknife, and a saw or axe if needed, to prepare tinder, kindling, and fuel wood for a cooking fire." When working on any service projects requiring a pocketknife, see https://filestore.scouting.org/filestore/healthsafety/pdf/680-028.pdf which requires Totin Chip (TC) for pocketknife use. Oddly enough, if you needed to use a saw or ax on said service project, the document above does not specifically require TC (even though these are much more likely situations). We have a good culture of safety here. If you use these tools unwisely, you get corrected on it ASAP by fellow Scouts. They watch each other diligently when using these tools. Even after teaching TC, we have to correct and mold skills often, because they require practice and repetition to build proficiency. Ask what your Troop policy is...

https://www.foxnews.com/media/johns-hopkins-dei-officer-resigns-months-privilege-list-controversy Chicka bump bump bump... another one bites the dust! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rY0WxgSXdEE&ab_channel=QueenOfficial

Congrats! Here's how to work this "within" the system. 1. Make sure your CO's are good with this. Check with your CORs. If the CO's are willing to support a merge, you will be able to make it happen in spite of whatever resistance you meet. However, if a CO does not wish to "give up" their program, things may develop some tension. Especially since all gear and money technically belongs to the CO's. 2. THEN, get COR approval (recommend an email) to conduct cross-unit activities, including camping.... 3. THEN, contact your Unit Commissioner and tell them of this development. Expect a lot of questions to help you go down this road (hopefully.) 4. THEN, contact your District Executive re same. Expect some push back. Council may not wish to "lose" units. If you do not have the support of your CO's, then you will meet resistance. 5. THEN, get council approval (recommend an email through DE) to do cross-unit activities (from different COs), as they must be approved by District or Council. From the G2SS: "Local council approval is needed for unit-coordinated overnight camping activities involving other units not chartered by the same organization. Units that wish to host events involving other units that do not share the same charter partner must have approval from their council. This includes events for packs, troops, crews, and ships from the same council; neighboring councils; the same territory; or other territory." 6. THEN, between the two Committees, figure out which CO you want to have the unit. What will the unit number be? If you want to move a unit number to a new CO, you will complicate things, but this can be done... 7. THEN, come back here for next steps 😜 Here's how to do this "outside" the system. 1. The two Committees decide which unit will be primary. 2. Transfer all Scouts to the gaining unit through Scoutbook / Internet Advancement. 3. Adults from losing unit must fill out new/updated applications to move positions to the gaining unit. These will be "multiple" registrations, at no cost. Do not neglect this step. Keep your Council Registrar on your side... 4. Dispose of gear and funds. This stuff belongs to your CO, so be careful. 5. Old unit ceases events. Does not recharter for the next go-around. There's much more Devil in these Details, though... Figure out which track you want to go, and come back for additional rudder corrections, when necessary.

If you show up wearing your OA membership pin with no lodge flap, then I would ask why, to see if you really do understand there is a difference between OA membership and Lodge membership. The former is permanent, and the latter is based on paying your dues. You should not be wearing your OA sash to an EBOR.

Nero fiddled while Rome burned.

@Mrjeff, if you leave, then they win "the battle of the narrative." I support your being here, and voicing your concerns about the direction we are heading as a movement, and as a country. Stick around...

His uniform shirt & accoutrements must have weighed 50 pounds 😜

Folks, It takes all of us to make this work. No matter where you wind up on the spectrum of moral foundations... Those on each end balance each other out. Where are you? Have a listen... (you can read along with transcript, too) https://www.ted.com/talks/jonathan_haidt_the_moral_roots_of_liberals_and_conservatives/transcript?hasSummary=true

Well, @Jameson76, that is because, statistically speaking, men abuse more than women, right? NO! https://www.statista.com/statistics/418470/number-of-perpetrators-in-child-abuse-cases-in-the-us-by-sex/ https://scholarworks.gvsu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1825&context=honorsprojects https://www.statista.com/statistics/254893/child-abuse-in-the-us-by-perpetrator-relationship/ But, they are more likely to sexually abuse... https://www.rainn.org/statistics/children-and-teens#:~:text=In 88% of the sexual,%2C and 3% are unknown.

@ScoutingMama4, welcome! This is totally acceptable. However, I believe she would need to get the Proposal approved by the Venturing Crew Unit Leader and Committee Chair. Where is she in the process? If her proposal has already been approved in the Troop, she should call the Council or District rep who signed it. (Hopefully this will be the District Advancement Chair or designee...) I recommend she seek guidance from them first, then get back to the Venturing Crew signatures on the proposal, if that is the way she is advised to go.

Actually, @swilliams, it would be ideal if your Scout posted it here, instead of you doing it for him. 😜

No, there isn't any explanation that does not reduce into the very behavior that those creating the group are trying to correct, stand up against, or bring attention to. On any form these days, for "Race" I select "Other" and write in "Human." Anywhere I can decline to enter "tribal" identifiers, I do. Every human being is unique. Therefore, there are almost 8 billion current groups to classify them into. (too many for my little old brain to keep track of.) Groups of one element 😜 But, as a mathematician, statistician, risk manager, observer of human behavior, and generally cogitating biped, I do use groups and categories to discriminate (and by that, I mean the un-hijacked definition of the word) with others, simply to conduct my daily life and stay alive.