InquisitiveScouter

It's not a den coordinated campout. Thanks

Yes. My practice is to get this through an email or text exchange. Others accept a verbal. In person or over the phone.

Yes, that is to send a Scout out of the current unit. Or a "push". The info I gave is for a "pull". You can bring a Scout into your unit with that procedure.

Hmmm... recent changes to my.scouting.org? In-Council Transfer Application not accessible directly from the page... Anywho, you can do an In-Council Transfer through Scoutbook (SB). Look at the bottom of your unit roster in SB and you will see the In-Council Transfer button. This will take you to the my.scouting.org Organization Manager Transfer-In Application. You'll need: - Youth Member ID - Youth Member First Name - Youth Member Last Name - Youth Member Date of Birth We get these info bits from the parents, when we have a conversation to get their verbal permission to transfer them over. (Of course, you'll need to be in a role that gives you access to the Organization Manager tools for your unit.) These electronic transfers make life really easy!! And our Registrar loves that we reduce her paperwork! WARNING: Make sure the AOL is updated before you transfer them. If you neglect this step, you will need Registrar intervention to put the AOL in their record.

You do not need an app. Just transfer through my.scouting

And here is an alternative view... https://raymondsrants.medium.com/the-issue-with-affinity-groups-985b46848796

Understood. We would, and do. Absolutely nothing wrong with having a recruit attend an overnighter. It is well under the umbrella of all things Scouting... they are covered by insurance, have parental permission, and must have a medical form A&B. What a wonderful way for them to get to know us, see what is expected of them, and learn about the youth... The question was really about the Cub Scout-iness of the situation.

So, a parent of a WEBELOS just asked if his son could attend an upcoming Troop camping trip. The WEBELOS is 11 years old. His WEBELOS den is still working on AOL, with no real end goal in sight. The Scout wants to cross over and is thinking about abandoning the AOL program.... The G2SS says Cub Scouts must attend with a parent. (among other restrictions). So, given that, at any moment, this Scout could join the Troop if he wishes, he should be able to make this trip, and without a parent, correct? (nod to @qwazse, I know, I know, Rule #1 (Don’t ask for a rule, you’ll live to regret it.) ) My thinking is that he is fine to come with us if he meets any of the Scouts, BSA joining criteria: 1) 10 years old and fifth grade, after 01 March; 2) 10 years and and completed AOL ; 3) 11 years old. His status as a registered Cub Scout is irrelevant at the 11 year old point. That is, if he was not registered in Cub Scouts, and was walking in off the street, he is welcome to go on a Scout camping trip, and is covered under the auspices of BSA due to "intent to join". "Youth can join Scouts BSA if they are at least 10 years old, currently in the fifth grade and register on or after March 1st; OR have earned the Arrow of Light Award and are at least 10 years old, OR are age 11 but have not reached age 18." https://www.scouting.org/programs/scouts-bsa/faqs/ Thoughts or observations?

I have re-read the entire thread, and find the discourse generally civil. Here is a primer: What is not civil discourse? Being disrespectful is not engaging in civil discourse. Here are some disrespectful behaviors that are typically considered out of bounds: profanity, name-calling*, derogatory terms (stupid, ignorant…), shouting, insulting body language (such as eye-rolling), insulting tone of voice (baby talk, speaking “down” to a person), ridicule, open hostility, biting sarcasm, any other disrespectful acts or ad hominem attacks, threats, or any behavior that could get a person banned from a social media site. A central theme of disrespectful discourse is that it employs tactics designed to dismiss the other person, rather than engage with the other argument. https://www.socialstudies.org/sites/default/files/guide_to_civil_discourse_student_version.pdf Some examples of uncivil discourse in the thread are: 1) implying people are conspiracy theorists, 2) trying to derail the OP by accusing them of engaging in the rhetoric of "culture war", and 3) not answering the OP question, but instead, trying to dismiss him by asking tangential (and sometimes unrelated) questions in order to undermine the supposed premise of why he asked the question in the first place. So, I'll re-post the OP question, and the answer I gave: What answer to the OP question did you offer? And three of you gave him a down arrow for even asking the question...

We have been keeping a list, since 01 Jan, of the different species we have seen in our yard so far this year. We are up to 30. The Tufted Titmouse has been notably missing from our feeding stations this winter. They have been quite plentiful in the past. Our birding neighbors have noticed the same. Their absence is a mystery. Anyone else seeing a decline of these? Post script: Appears West Nile Virus may be one factor: https://www.rappnews.com/wildideas/wild-ideas-disappearing-birds-are-we-once-again-facing-a-silent-spring/article_e5bb42b6-0254-11ea-9624-db770acf0ef4.html

I was responding to @Navybone question: BSA is excluding others, based on religious beliefs. It does have the right to do so... I hold Christian beliefs. I do not accept the beliefs of other religions. But, I tolerate them. All people have a right to believe as their conscience dictates. And I vigorously defend that right. (But it doesn't mean I have to accept it.) BSA should not prohibit membership of atheists. It can still adhere to the Declaration of Religious Principle. It can still ask Scouts to define what they mean by "morally straight" and what the foundations of their moral code are. --------------------------- Creating affinity groups in and of itself is not wrong. But, if a cultural climate exists where a group could not create say a "HMSC" affinity group (Heterosexual, monogamous, sexually chaste), then we have a problem. If a cultural climate exists where a group could not create an affinity group for "Men in Scouting", to celebrate the differences and strengths that men bring to the table, then we have problem. If a cultural climate exists where a group could not create an affinity group for White people, then we have a problem. "Houston, we have a problem." Or should I say "Irving, we have a problem."? (It is still in Texas, so should be OK 😜 ) And yet you do it again 😜

All models are wrong. But some are useful. https://billmoyers.com/episode/how-do-conservatives-and-liberals-see-the-world/

Setting up tents at an Ordeal weekend, no... But working on conservation related projects at a Scout camp? Sure! That is a benefit to everyone outside the confines of the Scout camp. Planting trees at your Scout camp for a reforestation project, you would not count? Even though something like that would count for the Distinguished Conservation Service Award?

The hours must have been done while registered as a member of the BSA. Other than that, no problem double, triple, quadruple counting... Yes, quadruple... I have counted hours for a Scout simultaneously for Star rank, 50-miler award, Historic Trails award, and National Park Service Scout Ranger Award.

Atheists. Mike drop.

Almost half way there already!!

I do not employ FAQ when applying rules.... If it is that important, write it into the rule...

Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, and yes... Any time a company hires someone because they are in a certain group, they violate Title VII of the Civil Rights Act - which prohibits employment discrimination on the basis of: sex (including sexual orientation / gender identity) • race • religion/creed • color • national origin DEI initiatives around the country seek to add people to the workforce BECAUSE they are members of certain classes. That is, a company looks at its workforce and sees low numbers of women, so they specifically tell their HR they have to hire a woman. This is illegal. A company looks at its workforce and sees low numbers of Hispanics, so they specifically tell their HR they have to hire someone who is Hispanic. This is illegal. And this is happening everywhere. And you see the number of lawsuits against these practices rising. https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/careers/2023/12/20/dei-reverse-discrimination-lawsuits-increase-woke/71923487007/

"High Adventure" is whatever your Scouts say it is 😜 Backpacking by itself is not. But backpacking 15 miles over a weekend on the Appalachian Trail (AT) might be HA for your 13 year old's who are new to the experience. It might have to be backpacking 50 miles on the AT over 5 days and four nights for your older Scouts to say it is HA. If your Scouts want a High Adventure experience, let them help define what it means to them.

They really oughta be doing both 😜

OK, but I do not understand why that should matter... In fact, why should the council be trying to raise money only from families and youth? I guess that does beg the further question: Is this only type of fundraiser this council is doing? Ours does a Farm-to-Table event that serves alcohol. Purchase a plate or a table. Big fundraiser... not marketed to families, and definitely not for youth... But, our council does other fundraisers that are youth and/or family oriented.

Why?

Great! So, it sounds like he knew his sexuality didn't matter one whit to his job performance, so he didn't flaunt it. Kudos to him. That is (I think) the real point the OP was making... while DEI may be getting employees from more walks of life, it is not expanding the pool of talent. The examples he cited (and you can find multitudes more) are showing that the implementation has gone badly... to the detriment of many organizations, because talent standards are lowered, often to the point of allowing unethical behavior, and, therefore, unfortunately bolster the perpetuation of stereotypes. (which, ironically, it set out to try to help do away with...) I agree with your underlying position that it is not a negative, if merit is the true measure. Concur. The double-edged sword here is that, by segregating out groups for special treatment or recognition, DEI programs do, in fact, push people out.

The hidden message is that if you are not in one of those groups, you do not matter. All Lives Matter 😜

And that isn't "participants"... that's a website for employees...