InquisitiveScouter

I had to call an old friend who works the store in another council. She found one for my son. eBay will probably be best source going forward. My gut says, since so few have earned the award, I think they may either discontinue it, or have only one source at National.

uh, James Dale... BSA vs Dale They DID revoke his membership because he is gay. And that Supreme Court decision still stands. BSA may have changed their policy, but the right for a private organization to define its membership standards is law. https://www.mtsu.edu/first-amendment/article/61/boy-scouts-of-america-v-dale

You are correct... The system is not currently designed to keep track of Riding miles nor Aquatics hours, each of which are counted for the National Outdoor Achievement Award (NOAA). I helped my Eagle Scout keep track of his in Scoutbook. Specifically, under the basic award for each NOAA, there is a comment which contains a log of all activities related to that award. Sorta looks like this: - 150 miles Horseback riding and Cycling during Cub Scout activities ( from Cub Scout records kept) - 30 miles - ATV Program, Summer Camp - 17 Jul 2017 - 10 miles - Cycling - Beach Camping, 18 May 2018- 10 miles - Mountain Biking, XXXX State Park , 12 Nov 2018= 200 miles to date (meet 200 miles requirement for basic award) - 22 miles - Canal Path Day Trip, 10 Apr 2019- 35 miles - Cycling, Scout Camp, 15 Jul 2019- 11 miles - Cycling, Town Halloween Bike Ride, 25 Oct 2019- 60 miles - Cycling Trek, Aug 2020= 328 total to date (meets +100 miles requirement for 1st gold device) etc, etc, etc. Indulge me a Dad Brag?? My son just finished Wilderness First Aid over the holiday period --- the last requirement for him to earn his National Medal for Outdoor Achievement This is system is very cumbersome, but the burden, currently, is on the Scout to keep track of his activities, other than those actually recorded in Internet Advancement (miles, nights, service hours...)

So you'll Zelle him the money, then?

Source?

Yes, @fred8033, you can send him the money via Zelle!! That would keep the peace 😜 We do not know "how much" communication @Armymutt did with the Committee in developing the budget. If he sent adequate notice, and had a quorum to make and decide on the budget, then move forward with the budget you have. Sure, you can allow for an amendment, but only through the Committee... @Armymutt, do you have another Committee meeting scheduled, with enough time to address the question and deal with the funding, if the Committee decides to amend the budget? This is the way to "keep the peace." Don't be the SINGLE person who holds this up. If needed, hold a Committee meeting via Zoom, and, if (and only if) you get a quorum to participate, then address the question. And ONLY Committee members get to vote on it. Parents and DLs can give input, but drive the group to a decision. And, if the decide in a way you you don't like... well, you are a good Armymutt... you know how to take directives and follow them without liking them. BTW, we change our budget several times during the year of execution. There are always unplanned expenditures and questions that come up. We build consensus, and make a decision. We never try to make everyone happy. If it works out that way, great. And also BTW... as Committee Chair, you might consider not casting a vote, unless it is to break a tie.

Plaques aren't essential. They are a "want" versus a "need." If they aren't in the existing budget, then this is a Committee issue, if there is a push to fund this from the AOL parents. IF the Committee votes to fund this, then they have to solve the problem of how to fund it or come up with plaques. There's a million ways to skin that cat. But, if you are the CM (??) then this really isn't your issue. If you are CM, then you don't have a vote 😜 Past history is just that... past history. That they were funded in the past is irrelevant to the issue. We did plaques similar to @Eagle94-A1. One parent made the plaques. (Is there a wood hobby shop on the base??) BTW, my 17 y.o. Eagle Scout does not hold his AOL plaque as one of his "treasured possessions." He has many many more treasured items from his years as a Scout.

Concur!! From the Scout Handbook (page 416): "Once you feel that you have MASTERED [emphasis mine] a skill, a leader tests you and passes you on the requirement. This could be a youth leader, or an adult leader, or a merit badge counselor. (This won't be your parent unless your parent is also a troop leader or merit badge counselor.)" This is the written rebuttal to the "one and done" mentality. I have had to show this to Scouts on a few occasions. The written word has great authority 😜 Good luck!

We have to do a mix of both... Four months out of the year, our PLC designates that month's outing as "Patrol", versus the rest where they do things together as a Troop. Even on the Patrol-determined outings, sometimes we have to get two Patrols to go somewhere together due to lack of adults to cover all outings. (We currently have six Patrols and will gain a seventh next month with Crossovers.)) Our guys typically do not choose to go to District or Council events. They view them as "lame," and several Scouts on the PLC have said, for the competitive events, they are just tired of winning... LOL There's not much ADVENTURE in our District or Council events, so they choose to go far afield for overnight events.

Yeah, it can go too far the other way, also, to where the local OA lodge is a quasi- Native American heritage preservation society. The purpose of the Order gets lost then, too... Too much focus on dance, drum, outfits, etc.

Yes, there have been so many "levers" pulled over the last decade or so, that it is virtually impossible to sort out what the top detrimental effects on membership numbers have been. So many factors (in no particular order): - The downward trend in families seeking out long lasting group associations (and the commitments that come with them.) (Primarily religious institutions, but I believe Scouting is affected as well.) - The trend in schools to have extracurricular activities last much, much longer: sports, band and choruses, theater, dance, clubs, etc. etc. etc. If my kids had chosen such, they could be involved in school-sponsored extracurriculars year round. - The trend in families to schedule out every moment of the day with some activity for their kids, which drives them to seek out additional opportunities above the school-sponsored stuff: marital arts, and travel sports teams are big around here... - The general downward trend for Americans to trust institutions https://news.gallup.com/poll/394283/confidence-institutions-down-average-new-low.aspx - Fallout from the pandemic - Inflation (and wages not keeping pace with it.) - Growth in abilities (and attempts) to use the internet to fill the need for social connection (although it doesn't work). https://www.sogolytics.com/blog/how-has-technology-affected-social-interaction/ And I'm sure there are more factors... I believe it will take another year or two to have better hindsight as to what has happened.

Aviators have a saying.... "The flak is heaviest when you are over the target!" Although another iteration of that is: "If you're taking flak, you're over the target."

Sometimes, that is the best course of action. If the youth will not pony up and take responsibility, then the Supreme Chief of the Fire should consider putting the fire out for a while.

It is wonderful that your companions took note of your devotion and proposed you for this award! And, your surprise is evidence of your ability to forget your own interests while serving others. Well done!

Sort of like the social credit system in China...

Be mindful that filtering is not effective against viruses. Here is a great table showing different treatment methods and what they will do for you... https://www.cdc.gov/healthywater/pdf/drinking/Backcountry_Water_Treatment-508.pdf Everyone should be vaccinated against Hep A. Incubation for norovirus is 12 - 48 hours. https://www.cdc.gov/hai/pdfs/norovirus/229110-anorocasefactsheet508.pdf Incubation period for enteroviruses is usually 3 - 5 days. https://www.cdc.gov/non-polio-enterovirus/about/ev-d68.html Incubation for rotavirus is about 2 days. https://www.cdc.gov/rotavirus/clinical.html And there's a lot more virus-bugs out there... The larger your group, and the longer you are out, the greater the risk you take with just filtering water. Note that boiling is best. If you are going to filter (small quantities for drinking) then chemically treat it, too. Best to do this just before bedtime, as chemicals take about four hours to be effective. Some pro tips: 1. If you are cooking hot meals, boil a little extra water that you can leave to cool off for drinking. NEVER pour out water you have boiled. It is a waste of fuel. 2. Never boil water you have taken the time and effort to filter/treat. Again, waste of fuel. 3. On cold weather camping trips, boil water and put in Nalgene-type bottles (wide mouth!!!). Put these in your sleeping bag for a comfy night's rest. In the morning, you will have liquid (not frozen) potable water. 4. Plan meals with a mind on water usage and cleanup. Spaghetti = bad (huge waste of water). 5. Always lick your dishes clean, or wipe with a good hunk of bread. In our Troop we say, "Clean your dishes before you wash your dishes!" 6. Going lightweight with dehydrated meals? After eating, clean your dishes (see above), but do not wash them... yet. As you boil water for the next meal, sterilize your dishes in the boiling water you will be using to hydrate your meals. (I know this idea will probably be poo-pooed, but you have to overcome your psychological barriers and look at the practicality behind it...)

You say this method works for you, with the real drawback being waste. You can procure one gallon water jugs with screw on lids.... reusable = no/less waste

Just make sure you remember my correct pronouns when we get lost together. Your Majesty / His Majesty

Oh, so you were in grizzly country!?

(Disclaimer: this post is tongue-in-cheek!!!) It's intrinsically the same as extroverts... both are dealing with narcissism and a feeling of vulnerability and embarrassment 😜 At least, I can speak for the extroverts. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/communication-success/201601/7-signs-covert-introvert-narcissist

And how does that situation square with "The mission of the Boy Scouts of America is to prepare young people to make ethical and moral choices over their lifetimes by instilling in them the values of the Scout Oath and Scout Law."??? Rhetorical... it doesn't.

Definitely high numbers... Our unit is strong. We have 60+ youth on the roster. At recharter, we have dropped approximately 10 due to aging out, attrition, and transfer. We expect to see those added back through Crossovers and recruiting during the year. We just barely hit our 85% retention rate for JTE Gold. Agree with @1980Scouter. Even a "rolling" one or two year average would be more indicative of reality and would flatten out the highs and lows.

Thanks for that @Cburkhardt!! I did not know of this "accepted" (?) avenue for dealing with such situations. Would this also apply if an adult on Camp Staff was accused by a youth Camp Staffer of an infraction? Who would be in the CO role to write such a letter in that case, since both are "employees" of the council at the time?

Third cause: Council not facilitating, educating/training, supporting the work it takes to administer a Troop Fourth cause: Parents not willing to put in the time or effort to create a Troop and mentor youth in through the program. Fifth cause: Council not focusing on a healthy unit climate and working to create the needed unit structure. Lack of a good leadership structure (including pay) needed to recruit, train, support, and retain DE's... which results in a lack of a solid District Volunteer Staff, Commissioner Corps, etc. etc. etc.

Thanks for opening up your story. I think you have a good outcome so far. And it seems as though the Committee stood up for you. (?) That means they may see things in sort of the same light as you do. Recommend you have a private chat with the other two Key 3 to confirm. As someone mentioned in your previous thread, a good idea is to always have an adult buddy with you. This has saved my behind several times over the past years, in different ways. IMHO, due to increased screen time (vs face-to-face time), young people (not just Scouts) are becoming less proficient at reading people and interpreting context and meaning. This means more of these situations are likely to appear. Any time I am doing stuff with Scouts (other than driving), I try have another adult joined at the hip. It is difficult, and ofttimes impossible to have them side-by-side (rather than present at the event doing other things). But, if you can get to that point, you will find you are less concerned about issues like this recurring.