InquisitiveScouter

They are conflating that with Camping MB requirements.

You are wrong on both accounts.

Character matters 😜

Character matters 😜

All good advice! If you choose to participate in some activities, plan on waiting in line for some of the most popular ones (ala Disney). Bring something to occupy your time while waiting (or make friends and chat!) Get two portable batteries for your cell phone. Fully charged before departure. (Make sure you have a charging cord to connect portable battery to phone, and a spare cord, too! Would be best if all your connections used the same type cord... make that investment.) Take lots of pictures. Camp security is no joke... A Scout is Trustworthy. 50,000 ARE NOT! I have had items stolen at Jamboree. Make sure you know what the emergency plan is, and where to get to for lightning (or other) safety. Have a blast!

I have seen all the above... Years ago, in the dim ages.... we had an SE that directed the OA lodge to staff and run a council camporee, on pretty short notice. The LEC discussed it, voted on it, and decided no, we cannot do that. SE said, (paraphrasing) Look at at the glossary of names in your OA Handbook. See the one that says "Netami Gegeyjumhet"? That means Supreme Chief of the Fire. That's me. And, you must always remember, the Supreme Chief of the Fire can put the fire out!" We staffed the camporee... and it was pretty good, too 😜 https://oa-bsa.org/article/ask-chairman-role-supreme-chief-fire https://oa-bsa.org/uploads/publications/GOA-202208.pdf Within the council, the Scout executive is the final authority over the Order of the Arrow and, for this reason, holds the title of Supreme Chief of the Fire. It is the Scout executive’s job to see that the lodge adheres to national policy. Each year the Scout executive appoints an adult volunteer to serve as the lodge adviser. As Deputy Supreme Chief of the Fire, the lodge adviser acts on behalf of the Scout executive in guiding the day-to-day affairs of the lodge. This person normally serves as a member of the council’s camping or program committee and is frequently selected to serve on the council executive board. In some councils, the Scout executive serves as the lodge staff adviser, but in most cases appoints a member of the professional staff to that position. The staff adviser, as Chief of the Fire, acts on behalf of the Scout executive in giving guidance to the lodge adviser and the lodge leadership. With support and counsel from the Scout executive, it is the staff adviser's role to see that the lodge adheres to national policy.

That looks exactly like the first backpack I bought from Sky City department store (1979), using money I'd earned mowing grass over the summer! The program has change immensely, but enjoy!!

LOL, yes it is 😜 Technically, only "entities" can "own" property, including money. Unless you incorporate your unit, it cannot "own" anything. If our COR ever wants a financial statement, we would subtract out of the bank account balance any monies paid by Scouts or parents into Scout accounts. Any monies fundraised belong to the COR. All property and gear belong to the COR. Now, they cannot just "take" your funds and put it in their general account. If your unit has a bank account, only the signatories on that account can dispose of the funds. If our COR demanded our cash, we would pay back all monies deposited by parents and Scouts, and equally distribute all remaining monies and pay tuition for Summer Camp (which should just about wipe out the fund), and start looking for a new COR that we'd go to after Summer Camp. Since the monies are used for the purposes of Scouting, they'd have no recourse... Avoiding a question does not answer it... See answer above... Sounds like most of the voters in our country 😜

You will not find a clear cut answer to the question. And the question is really, "When does the Cub Scout program end?" Here are various answers you could find supporting arguments for in the literature: A. 11 Years old. The reasoning is this: There are three criteria for joining Scouts (you must meet one to join): " 1) ...at least 10 years old, currently in the fifth grade and register on or after March 1st: 2) OR have earned the Arrow of Light Award and are at least 10 years old, 3) OR are age 11 but have not reached age 18." Although the criteria do not specifically say it, you could interpret the intent that 11 year olds (who were never in Cubs) get vectored to Scouts. https://www.scouting.org/about/faq/question1/ Couple with that the verbiage from Guide to Advancement 4.1.1.0, "In situations like those found in home-schooling or nontraditional education, where youth are working at grade levels that may not correspond to their ages, Cub Scouts should work on the rank that relates to their age, rather than their grade. When doing so, take the joining requirements for Scouts BSA into consideration to avoid completing the Arrow of Light too long before meeting the minimum age requirement for Scouts BSA. Cub Scouts do not “go back” and work on ranks designed for earlier grade levels, even if missed due to their time of joining. Likewise, Cub Scouts do not “move ahead” to work on the next rank until the completion of the current school year (or until their next birthday if they are transitioning by age), with the exception of those who earned the Webelos rank in the fourth grade." https://filestore.scouting.org/filestore/pdf/33088.pdf B. February-ish. Chart from BSA site at https://filestore.scouting.org/filestore/CubScoutMeetingGuide/PDF/Appendix/511-807.pdf says "Fifth-grade Webelos Scouts graduate in February and begin meeting with a Troop in March." C. 01 June. Same chart above shows the program year beginning in June. So you could make the argument to extend to that... D. Cubs Scouts ends a the end of fifth grade. See chart at https://pdscouting.wpenginepowered.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/Required-Adventures-Chart-for-Ranks.pdf Program upper limit is fifth grade. this also aligns with criteria above. Also aligns with Scout joining criteria in A. C. 31 August. One chart, still available from BSA at https://filestore.scouting.org/filestore/pdf/26-004.pdf shows the Cub program year beginning on 01 September. Probably the weakest argument... The saddest issue here is "I have a parent who really wants his son to earn the AOL." Too much to unpack here... The heart of the requirements issue is how to meet the requirement for participation: "1. Be an active member of your Webelos den for at least six months since completing the fourth grade or for at least six months since becoming 10 years old." If the Webelos den does not exist after crossover, with whom will the young man participate?? He could accomplish this (I suppose) in a few ways: 1. Council allows him to register as Lone Cub Scout, and parent handles it all... 2. Parent registers as a WDL, and handles it all (because parents cannot sign off requirements for AOL), including perhaps taking him to one last year of Webelos resident camp with another unit, and then the Scout fleets up to BSA after six months is done. 3. Have him work on his own requirements while hanging with the rising AOL den until complete.

Nuanced doublespeak... "encouraged to avoid ... joint participation in community events or activities" You could interpret that to mean Girl Scouts are "encouraged to avoid" placing flags on veterans graves because BSA units are there doing it at the same time.... hogwash Or, you could interpret that to mean Girl Scouts are "encouraged to avoid" walking in the Memorial Day Parade because BSA units are doing the same. ("Encouraged to avoid" is too slippery,,, just say "prohibited" or "shall not") Same interpretation applies to "...exclusive to the Girl Scout program" I'd bet you dollars to doughnuts, most GSUSA units are completely ignoring this, just as they are in our neck of the woods. It would be more clearly understood if the GSUSA put out guidance to say GSUSA units are not to participate in events "sponsored" by the BSA.... ala District or Council events, National Jamborees, HABs, etc.

Thanks, but the memo cited only outlines risks. It prohibits no interactions.

Concur. And your thoughts on COR guiding this, versus SM?

Explicitly? As a parent of a Girl Scout and a Boy Scout, and working as a volunteer with both units, I never heard such a prohibition.

To be clear... how many Scouts are in the unit? I am wanting to assume from the OP that there are 8 Scouts, which begs the question of why you have an SPL position. As for the issue at hand, get the Scouts together, define the problem, and guide them through working it out. And this is not a COR issue.... this is an SM issue. Unless the SM is recusing because one of the Scouts is his son? Even if that is so, I'd say the next stuckee is an ASM (do you have one?) More information, please...

No need to remove ceremonial inductions, signs, symbols, or watchwords... All those may be observed and preserved

Peoples all over the world have used arrows and archers as a symbol. English Longbowmen (Robin Hood) (William Tell actually used a crossbow, and he was Swiss) Odysseus (Ulysses) etc. etc. https://www.worldarchery.sport/news/175753/archery-and-gods-kings-myths-and-legends

You jest, but that isn't all that bad... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_and_Clark_Expedition

The first ones were in black robes. Here's a pic from the birth of my home lodge: You could easily ditch the headdresses. And you do not need a fictional story of Native Americans to promulgate ideas about Brotherhood, Cheerfulness, and Service. You could easily find stories to demonstrate these during the Colonial period, or during the American Revolution, or the westward expansion, etc. It should not be offensive to find and tell a story from some native tribes to demonstrate these principles, either. They need not be from your area particularly, since you are ditching the wearing of clothing to mimic. Or, if a lodge wanted to incorporate stories from their local first peoples, there's plenty... 574 recognized tribes in the US. https://www.usa.gov/tribes P.S. Gotta love the ties!! P.P.S. Also see https://oa-bsa.org/history/first-ceremony

There you go, trying to use logic again. Silly goose...

We always announce the results of the election selection, as call-outs are hit or miss in our council. Mostly miss. That way, we make sure our candidates get the info they need when they need it, to make the timing for Ordeals.

Yes, he has become quite the Outdoorsman! And I do like this award. I would put the level of difficulty above Eagle Scout.

@Leehoden, that is the National Outdoor Achievement Award (NOAA). That is something different. Several NOAAs are required for National Medal for Outdoor Achievement. (NMOA) Look for the medal requirements in Scoutbook. or here: https://www.scouting.org/programs/scouts-bsa/advancement-and-awards/noa/

I had to call an old friend who works the store in another council. She found one for my son. eBay will probably be best source going forward. My gut says, since so few have earned the award, I think they may either discontinue it, or have only one source at National.

uh, James Dale... BSA vs Dale They DID revoke his membership because he is gay. And that Supreme Court decision still stands. BSA may have changed their policy, but the right for a private organization to define its membership standards is law. https://www.mtsu.edu/first-amendment/article/61/boy-scouts-of-america-v-dale

You are correct... The system is not currently designed to keep track of Riding miles nor Aquatics hours, each of which are counted for the National Outdoor Achievement Award (NOAA). I helped my Eagle Scout keep track of his in Scoutbook. Specifically, under the basic award for each NOAA, there is a comment which contains a log of all activities related to that award. Sorta looks like this: - 150 miles Horseback riding and Cycling during Cub Scout activities ( from Cub Scout records kept) - 30 miles - ATV Program, Summer Camp - 17 Jul 2017 - 10 miles - Cycling - Beach Camping, 18 May 2018- 10 miles - Mountain Biking, XXXX State Park , 12 Nov 2018= 200 miles to date (meet 200 miles requirement for basic award) - 22 miles - Canal Path Day Trip, 10 Apr 2019- 35 miles - Cycling, Scout Camp, 15 Jul 2019- 11 miles - Cycling, Town Halloween Bike Ride, 25 Oct 2019- 60 miles - Cycling Trek, Aug 2020= 328 total to date (meets +100 miles requirement for 1st gold device) etc, etc, etc. Indulge me a Dad Brag?? My son just finished Wilderness First Aid over the holiday period --- the last requirement for him to earn his National Medal for Outdoor Achievement This is system is very cumbersome, but the burden, currently, is on the Scout to keep track of his activities, other than those actually recorded in Internet Advancement (miles, nights, service hours...)