InquisitiveScouter

@DuctTape for National Commissioner!!!

I know an SE that got fired from his council, came here as Field Director, and is now back as an SE in another council. It does happen, sadly... they survive and keep feeding at the trough.

I meant it was probably TLDR for the Jamboree Planning Staff 😜

TLDR??

It is a corporation. By law, all corporations must have a Board of Directors. (even non-profit corporations) Whether they fulfill their responsibilities or not is another matter. Ever think that this is the way your SE and BSA National like it??? Things that make you go ...hmmmmm

Because they cannot afford to pay them 😜 In fact, most councils I know use their Boards as a source of revenue. That is, if you want to participate in the governance of the council serving our local community, you must pay for the privilege... annually. Going rate for a seat on our Board locally is $5K per year, my sources say... Somehow, being on the Board here, whether they do anything or not, is a source of some sort of social credit in the circles they travel in... https://www.501c3.org/nonprofits-board-directors/ https://www.energizeinc.com/hot-topics/2012/august

I find your lack of faith... disturbing. 😛

The Peter Principle hard at work 😜

And the weather is entirely predictable. It is near the height of cyclone season in the Northern Hemisphere. Look at recent history: https://www.worlddata.info/asia/south-korea/typhoons.php Would you plan a World Jamboree in Florida at this time of year?

If it is good enough for our military...??? This falls on very deaf ears. The Department of Defense does not exist to provide creature comforts for tourists. Snarky comments about prison stripes belie any "very appreciative" sentiments.

I think you have this part wrong. BSA did not cover for anyone. It's that they had accusations, and not enough info to make allegations. False allegations are a crime... defamation, libel, slander, etc. As I understand it, where they had enough info, or victims or families who wanted it brought to the authorities, they reported. What BSA did was to hide the fact that they had a problem within the organization with child predators using it as an environment for depredation. They chose to protect the image of the organization and accepted the risks involved without making substantive changes to protect children, rather than bring the problem to light. Those are still horrible actions, and certainly "bad karma," but they aren't the same thing as covering up a crime. Agree 100% with the rest of your post.

There are many who cannot distinguish between the two. Ideology often runs deep into our Scouting experiences here in the US. This (for example) was the source of much of the pushback against the genesis of the Citizenship in Society Merit Badge. And that pushback caused BSA to rewrite (thankfully) many of the originally released requirements.

The are many groups within the US that are (were?) considered "pillars" or a "bedrock" of America, and represent "all that is good about America" Here are a few: Boy Scouts of America Girl Scouts of USA US Olympic Committee American Red Cross American Legion Little League Baseball National Academy of Sciences Daughters of the American Revolution This list is not "official", and will vary depending on whom you talk with. One good listing contains those organizations with a Congressional Charter, although some are questionable, and Congress is no longer doing this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Patriotic_and_national_organizations_chartered_by_the_United_States_Congress Norman Rockwell, with his paintings, many of which were published in widespread media, helped to seal Scouts into the American experience... https://www.nrm.org/2018/04/norman-rockwell-boy-scouts-america/ The activists he is referring to are various groups who wish to change (or destroy, as an alternative) social institutions in order to reshape the social landscape, through a strategy called "The Long March Through the Institutions." Here are a few viewpoints on this: https://renew.org/the-long-march-through-the-institutions-of-society/ https://www.heritage.org/progressivism/commentary/the-long-march-through-the-corporations https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEt9XepeGt4 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_march_through_the_institutions Some folks think this is tin foil hat stuff, some think it is a concerted effort (conspiracy?). I am somewhere in the middle of those two. As to pedophilia being rebranded... yes, there is a move afoot... https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8466899/Paedophiles-rebrand-minor-attracted-persons-chilling-online-propaganda-drive.html https://torontosun.com/news/world/woke-watch-prof-says-lets-ditch-the-term-pedophile-for-minor-attracted-person https://amac.us/newsline/society/u-n-under-fire-for-suggesting-minors-can-consent-to-sexual-activity/

Maybe another fee increase for all of us? 😜

OK, so what happens if the Scouts do neither?? What are the consequences?? "Pick up trash or do push-ups" is just plain silly, and shows a lack of understanding in dealing with youth. In the Scouts' minds, you cannot really make them do either, so to make this ultimatum makes the leader look foolish. I do not see this as a safety issue... nor corporal punishment... It is hazing, however. Which is also prohibited. If, indeed, this demand was made by a leader, and the push ups were imposed somehow, then you'd be obligated to report it. If you intend to do so, recommend you find a second person to corroborate your story. "Physical violence, sexual activity, emotional abuse, spiritual abuse, unauthorized weapons, hazing, discrimination, harassment, initiation rites, bullying, cyberbullying, theft, verbal insults, drugs, alcohol, and pornography have no place in the Scouting program and may result in revocation of membership."

The enemy voted, and you lost that argument.

On deployment to the sandbox, one day we recorded 50 C (122 F), and that was the ambient air temperature... And we were on the tarmack loading and launching aircraft... the soles of our boots got squishy... You could only work for about 20 minutes, and then had to go cool off and hydrate for 30-40. Black flag days are wonderful 😜 Some of our planes were grounded because their performance charts were not graphed, nor their flight computers programmed to go that high. (Engineers... sheesh...) I still use the heat index info to limit Scouting activities... check it out... https://www.hprc-online.org/physical-fitness/environmental-extremes/military-heat-flag-conditions-explained

I'd like to think our discussions here had something to do with this. Anyone have a connection to a decision-maker to be able to tell whether this is true or not??

And squandered the respect of much of the nation...

An Eagle Scout from our unit wanted to pursue his Hornaday Silver medal, after his Eagle Scout Service Project was also approved for his Bronze. He worked with our local Fish and Wildlife officials, and constructed artificial fish habitats for our local 350+ acre lake. This was during the contortions of changing from Hornaday to Distinguished Conservation Service Award... He led the construction and deployment of ten of these and sunk them in our local lake: https://www.fishiding.com/?gclid=CjwKCAjw8ZKmBhArEiwAspcJ7nWcsfdTTGGCzuMPOc6oDktN1r6ARrCrBlLWtR6XfAbvyt26c05sTxoC3uEQAvD_BwE After about three months, they lowered an underwater camera... every one of them had fish hanging about and using them for protection! He was the first youth in our council to earn the DCSA.

I am all about the SKILLS for a MB being taught at a meeting, but then the Scout must take that skill to his MB Counselor and demonstrate it to his counselor's satisfaction... Meetings should not be about requirements. Instead, there should be skills instruction, and perhaps a competition built around that skill...

After four hours of instruction and practice, a Scout (who happens to have cerebral palsy) who simply would not give up, ties a square knot on his own for the first time. He grew 10 feet tall 😜, or at least, that's what it looked like through my tears.

For the love of money is the root of all sorts of evil.

2013 Summit Bechtel Reserve, West Virginia "Go Big. Get Wild." July 15, 2013–July 24, 2013 40,795 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Scout_jamboree_(Boy_Scouts_of_America)

Wow... that is... not so good. They were shooting for 15K, as I understood. Makes for shorter lines for the participants, though!!! Enjoy!!