mrjohns2

On what do you base your argument? I have to disagree. It may not be the biggest (thus most popular), but I do think it is the best.

LDS history goes way way back. Long before Varsity Scouting. 1913 The Church officially joins the Boy Scouts of America as its first charter organization, adopting the program as the activity arm of its Mutual Improvement Association. 1928 The Church designates Scouting as the official activity program for young men ages 12–16.

I also can't see a great reason for the chartered org relationship in the first place. I wonder if this has a lot to do with the LDS church involvement. It was perfect for them as it allowed Scouts to be that extension of the church. They owned the equipment, they choose the leaders, they chartered the unit. For nearly every other organization, it may not make much sense. I guess I could see a church saying "hey, we want a neat youth group that goes camping, let's do Scouts BSA!" That is pretty far fetched, though.

Well, a 100% loss in Boy Scout troop membership. Maybe a 20% loss in Scouts BSA troop membership. Your numbers seem to be consistent with our midwest Pack and Troop. The Pack will have a hard time with very light dens that may have to meet together to reach critical mass. For example, right now, there is only one active first year Weblos out of 8. She will start to meet with the second year Webelos next month.

Yep, that is it.

It is a new system, so we don't know yet. Maybe the will have a Council Organization Representative or a Chartered Unit Representative. We just don't know until it is rolled out.

With no announcements, there is no must. Maybe the COR is appointed by the committee? We won't know until the info is released.

The COR is a voting member of the council, but does not automatically get a seat on the board.

It is Stetson branded hat?

This is a great point. What has made me REALLY understand YPT rules was to read about 20-30 accounts of abuse when the records were released by a California (?) law firm. Wow. They still haunt me a bit. Use of phones and showers and wet gear. Ugh. It made it all really REAL for me.

My friend, who was extremely tight with money, suggested it to me years ago. Growing up in a blue collar construction / teacher household, it would have never cross my dad or mom's mind. My friend, who worked at the same fortune 50 that I did, said "we are engineers with long term careers at a very well established company". He went on to talk about how garnering our wages for the rest of our career would be worthwhile for someone after emptying one's 401k. So, I started with $1M about 18 years ago and maybe 10 moved it to $2M. It is $574/year, so $47/month. Having it shifts the liability of home owners, car, RV onto the umbrella, so part of the $47 would still be paid on those if we dropped it. Hard to do a apples to apples, but I am guessing somewhere between $25-$35/month truly extra. It helps me feel better about transporting Scouts etc.

This is a great question. I few years ago I upped my personal liability umbrella to $2M. I have wondered if it should be higher.

For work projects, we have to rate a project with different areas of risk: Safety risk, financial risk, technical risk, cost risk, and production reliability risk. All are different. So, Scouts is probably low personal safety risk, but high when it comes to legal / financial risk. That is due to the unknowns.

I know you were listing all of the issues, but which fit this criteria? I like your food for thought. I think the answer to a lot of the issues for me is head forward, stop looking up the pyramid, even if it falls down, we can still camp as a troop.

To some, not to others. It all depends on one’s faith. My faith doesn’t include capitalizing god. To others to even write the full name of g_d is disrespectful.

I understand you point is in general, but there are now clear policies out there. Website on the safe use: Safe Use of Medication in Scouting | Boy Scouts of America Main policy document: Medication Use in Scouting, No. 680-036 2019 rev.

This is where moving to a more volunteer based national will be key. If there were more people involved in the particular committees, with better channels for communication, this would not be an issue.

The current commissioner staff is like this. They have the names and email addresses of the key assistant commissioners all on their webpage. They also answer emails. I have received, within 2 weeks, answers from safety and field sports off of their webpages.

I do think this is the major reason for councils to not speak up. It would be not at all against HR law to hold against a council executive who did not follow national policy. Fear of this type of retribution would be a huge motivator for executives at all levels.

Can you point to when there was an age requirement and when it was lowered? Didn't we have this discussion before?

You do understand that the BSA has people of different political persuasions as members?

Thanks for the info. I only know of the one, but there were actually 3 that adults could get.2009 Document that has a nice grid showing all 7 awards The old Gold Badge didn't include the right to wear the knot, so maybe that is why I hadn't heard of it. It was hard to find the difference between the adult Gold Badge (badge & certificate) vs. adult Gold Medal (metal, certificate, and knot) vs. Gold Certificate (certificate).

You must not have followed the links. There is still an adult award. The unit award was odd to me as it didn't seem to fit in. They are saying units should earn the Conservation Good Turn certificate, which already existed. https://www.scouting.org/outdoor-programs/conservation-and-environment/conservation-good-turn/

I hate not being at my PC as such research is harder. So, sorry I was vague. I should just hold back from responding when there needs to be a technical answer until I have the info ready. So, yes, there must be two separate NRA certified people. Can't just have one person (like in the past). https://www.scouting.org/outdoor-programs/shooting-sports/shooting-faq/ Q: What type of training do I need to help my Scout troop take youth to a shooting day at a local range or at our Scout camp? A: You need to be an NRA certified instructor in the discipline with which you plan to help. NRA certifications in rifle, pistol, shotgun, or muzzle loading rifle, or NRA shotgun coach or rifle coach would be necessary. You must also have an NRA range safety officer certification for the person who is running the range. There must be two separate people running your event. The trainer is an NRA certified training counselor. You can find this person in your local council or by calling the NRA. You can also find more information in the new Shooting Sports Manual in the sections regarding training.

That is not the “at least” per the current shooting sports regulation. There must be 2 different NRA trained people: the RSO and an NRA rifle instructor (they must not be the same person). This is different than camp (more stringent) and more than required in the past. Check out the current guide. It could be limited to a troop, but must be a council event to include cubs. Councils could have more stringent rules, but not less.