mrjohns2

You must not have followed the links. There is still an adult award. The unit award was odd to me as it didn't seem to fit in. They are saying units should earn the Conservation Good Turn certificate, which already existed. https://www.scouting.org/outdoor-programs/conservation-and-environment/conservation-good-turn/

I hate not being at my PC as such research is harder. So, sorry I was vague. I should just hold back from responding when there needs to be a technical answer until I have the info ready. So, yes, there must be two separate NRA certified people. Can't just have one person (like in the past). https://www.scouting.org/outdoor-programs/shooting-sports/shooting-faq/ Q: What type of training do I need to help my Scout troop take youth to a shooting day at a local range or at our Scout camp? A: You need to be an NRA certified instructor in the discipline with which you plan to help. NRA certifications in rifle, pistol, shotgun, or muzzle loading rifle, or NRA shotgun coach or rifle coach would be necessary. You must also have an NRA range safety officer certification for the person who is running the range. There must be two separate people running your event. The trainer is an NRA certified training counselor. You can find this person in your local council or by calling the NRA. You can also find more information in the new Shooting Sports Manual in the sections regarding training.

That is not the “at least” per the current shooting sports regulation. There must be 2 different NRA trained people: the RSO and an NRA rifle instructor (they must not be the same person). This is different than camp (more stringent) and more than required in the past. Check out the current guide. It could be limited to a troop, but must be a council event to include cubs. Councils could have more stringent rules, but not less.

The BSA does not, but your council may. It he council could easily say that this is a council event.

I saw somewhere they were looking to employ the same person that did 9/11 and the BP settlement. So it could be $63,000 on average, but $5000 for some and $300,000 for others.

I hope that is what happened in this case. I know for a fact the cubs would have loved it. I just wish more packs would be allowed to do this via a council shooting sports committee. The way it is worded, though, is don't even ask. I don't like "good old boy networks" where the rules say one thing, but you can workout some back deal.

Maybe not trained in BSA policy. Shooting sports is not allowed to be a Pack activity, as this one is described as. It can only be a district or council activity.

That is true for most cubs. But they do access it, no? The skills are useful, if a little clunky. I do agree Protect Yourself is a better program, but a different topic.

It is against the G2SS foe a cub pack to run a shooting sports activity with BB guns or greater. So, this seems to all be in violation, assuming it is what it says it is. just sayin’

I was recently informed that our council has “done away with” JTE ribbons for units. Do other councils still award them? I see they are available in 10 packs from scoutshop.org. As for 100% Boys’ Life Ribbons. Did anyone get them for 2019? We were 100%, but never received our ribbon. I’m looking to “survey” the units out there so I know if we are are the only ones missing these or not. As a new girl troop, we have very few ribbons. So, a couple of more that we earned would help our unit pride a bit. Are unit ribbons in general "not a thing that anyone cares about"?

I feel like merit badge inflation means many scouts are filling their sashes up faster. 40” gives you more space.

I hope to be in staff next year or the year after. I too would be very interested in what was bad. I would hope we all could learn from your experience.

How so? This doesn’t affect individual units. Only when more units camp together. It also affects said multiple units at BSA Camp property or not.

First thing, pay your dues for the OA and get an OA flap and sew it on your uniform. The 2 lodges I have been a part of have their chapter meetings the same night / time as roundtable. So, start attending. In my experience, don't expect a lot, but you are there to make it better. In our lodge, 2 of the lodge weekends a year are more chapter focused since we have 4 council camps, they divide the lodge in the spring and fall. Talk with the chapter chief and see where they need help. After talking with the chapter chief, then talk with the chapter adviser. See where they need help. Between the two, you could find a niche for yourself to start. Find a need and help resolve it. My plan, as my daughter begins to get involved with the OA (she just did her ordeal last month), is to see what she is interested in. Without specific direction from her, I am going to suggest helping to improve elections and move them from just elections to also help promote camp. For my Wood Badge ticket, I did a Where to Go Camping list of ~80 places for our troop. The lodge hasn't had a real Where to Go Camping guide for about 10 years, and I have offered to advice a group of members on getting that going. But, these examples are how I want to help.

The same thing is with the James West Fellowship knot. It is up to you if you wear the lifetime NESA version of the knot or not. My family only got me the 5 year membership (?) when I earned my eagle. When I just recently got back into scouts after almost 25 years I had to buy the knots. I said, well, I only want to sew on one eagle knot. What if I become a lifetime member later? So, I paid the $250 and got the NESA version. I wasn't going to take one off and put another on later. I wear it. To me it shows either your own, or whom ever paid for your lifetime membership, monetary commitment to Scouting. The same as the James West knot.

Al Lambert's retirement was just announced along with some consolidation. Too bad this type of info isn't given out via Scoutingwire or something. “To: National Executive Board, Scout Executives, all National Council Employees The recent reduction in force has affected all levels of the BSA. We are disappointed to formally announce that the Assistant Chief Scout Executive - National Director of Outdoor Adventures position has been eliminated. Because of that action, Al Lambert has decided to retire and his last day will be December 31, 2020. Going forward, John Mosby will give leadership to international programs, Order of the Arrow, the National Jamboree team, and the Outdoor Program and Properties Group. Patrick Sterrett will give leadership to the four High Adventure Base Directors. Al’s iconic tenure with the BSA is best described by the words loyal and brave as found in our Scout Law. Al was passionately loyal to his staff, volunteer teams, and the principles of the BSA. He exhibited bravery when confronted with challenges that most would avoid. He accepted the challenges across his career and rallied his teams time and time again to do things they did not think they were capable of. His loyalty to the BSA and its people resulted in numerous promotions of his team members with several ascending to become Scout executives. Many turned to Al in their toughest and most defining moments. He believes that our movement is built on relationships, volunteer and professional alike, and he worked hard to support all who he worked with. Al’s distinguished and remarkable 40 year BSA career started in 1980 as an Exploring executive in the Chicago Area Council in Chicago, Illinois. He continued as field director for the East Valley Area Council in Forest Hills, Pennsylvania. In June of 1990, he was selected as Scout executive of the Mason Dixon Council in Hagerstown, Maryland, and then became deputy Scout executive of the National Capital Area Council in Bethesda, Maryland. In 1998, he was chosen as Scout executive of the Daniel Webster Council in Manchester, New Hampshire, and in November of 2004, he returned to become the Scout executive of the National Capital Area Council. In February of 2010, he became the Central Region Director. In his role as Central Region Director, he was tirelessly out and about with council teams engaging with unit serving executives and councils across the region. In 2016, the Central Region held an amazing All Hands that focused on empowering new executives and connecting them to our movement. In 2017, Al was selected as the Assistant Chief Scout Executive for Outdoor Adventures. In his role as ACSE, he was known to many as the “Director of Fun” – focusing on the promise of fun and adventure in Scouting programs – from the World Jamboree to amazing high adventure programs. Al has been married to his high school sweetheart, Patricia, for 40 years. They have two daughters, two sons-in-law (one of which is a Scout executive), and five adventurous grandchildren. We ask you to extend your very best wishes to Al and Pat as they transition to this next phase of their lives in beautiful New Hampshire...”

Has anyone else ever read the national insurance and the local supplemental? It sucks. I would have to look it up again, but if I recall it was something like 10,000/50,000. $10,000 per person, $50,000 per incident. I’m on my phone, so such super sleuthing is harder, but I was shocked at how crummy this insurance was. Update Council rider - $7500 per covered condition, $15000 per incident, Death benefit $10,000. Does anyone buy the supplemental unit insurance? Why would I buy that if national covers us? https://www.hsri.com/camping-insurance.jsp Update 2: National’s $1,000,000 per person.

Ok! Good points. I agree, those are issues and we have tried to work around them (even though we shouldn't have to). What we have done is have the Scouts continue to have PL or a Scout 1 rank above the rank they are working on, sign off in the paper book. The Scout themselves can then go online and mark it complete in Scoutbook.com. Once BOR happens, the BOR chair marks the whole rank complete (in one swoop, not individual requirements) and leader approved in Scoutbook. The system doesn't require, nor does our troop, to have each requirement in Scoutbook.com leader approved if the whole rank is marked approved. Thanks for the clarity.

I found this interesting. What do you mean? Can you elaborate on your observations? I ask to make sure we aren’t falling into a “trap” or habit.

Opps! That was an embarrassing typo from my phone! It is www.campdoc.com. I thought it was webdoc.com.

An interesting twist is Michigan Crossroads Council has moved to an online WebDic or something. This would be great. I wouldn’t even mind if I had to print a consolidated report. Please national, take $4 of our fee and do something like this. Make our lives easier.

What is the “white sheet”?

Sure! As a Scout, for about a year, I did a different slide each week. My point was to not buy a lion, tiger, wolf, bear, Webelos slides as the BSA seems to encourage. At $6 each, I don’t know if $30 on slides over 6 years is money well spent.

I’m an officer in the uniform police, but I can’t argue with the logic. Cubs start out with the blue uniform. They should wear it until it doesn’t fit or they join a troop. If it doesn’t fit before they join a troop, buy a tan replacement. Pretty simple. Get the right hat and neckerchief. Get the official slide. If lost, get a replacement that matches your current program. For the belt, just get the wolf buckle. Never get the tiger socks.

Actually, we are. One test and many privileges open up. Like boating to the middle of the lake.