mrjohns2

What do you mean? You can't see the images? www.scoutlife.org still redirects to www.boyslife.org. I assume that is a matter of time.

The did a cool fold out at the "open here" part. It only took 2 years (it is the Jan/Feb issue), but at least they finished.

Is this even for units? ”Organization ‐ BSA Distinguished Conservation Service Award Certificate This conservation award is granted to organizations or individuals by the National Council of the Boy Scouts of America. Nominations are accepted from any recognized conservation or environmental protection organization. The organization or individual should have demonstrated leadership and a commitment to the education of youth on a regional, national, or international level reflecting the natural resource conservation and environmental improvement mission of the BSA Distinguished Conservation Service Awards program. A letter of nomination should be addressed to the BSA Director of Conservation. Letters of endorsement are encouraged. This application to be submitted to the National BSA Director of Conservation and reviewed by the National Conservation Awards Committee.”

There is a big difference, to me, between reading a period book and honoring someone, who by modern standards, should not be honored. Such honors are not frozen in time. The book, though, can be read and talked about in context since that is one of the points of reading the book. I guess the act of reading a book doesn't put the person on a pedestal.

But we can, with today's lens, choose to no longer honor the person that did even somewhat despicable things. It is a choice.

I agree, that is why I said "I think it is the best". @David CO made such a definitive statement, I was looking for some thought process to back that up.

On what do you base your argument? I have to disagree. It may not be the biggest (thus most popular), but I do think it is the best.

LDS history goes way way back. Long before Varsity Scouting. 1913 The Church officially joins the Boy Scouts of America as its first charter organization, adopting the program as the activity arm of its Mutual Improvement Association. 1928 The Church designates Scouting as the official activity program for young men ages 12–16.

I also can't see a great reason for the chartered org relationship in the first place. I wonder if this has a lot to do with the LDS church involvement. It was perfect for them as it allowed Scouts to be that extension of the church. They owned the equipment, they choose the leaders, they chartered the unit. For nearly every other organization, it may not make much sense. I guess I could see a church saying "hey, we want a neat youth group that goes camping, let's do Scouts BSA!" That is pretty far fetched, though.

Well, a 100% loss in Boy Scout troop membership. Maybe a 20% loss in Scouts BSA troop membership. Your numbers seem to be consistent with our midwest Pack and Troop. The Pack will have a hard time with very light dens that may have to meet together to reach critical mass. For example, right now, there is only one active first year Weblos out of 8. She will start to meet with the second year Webelos next month.

Yep, that is it.

It is a new system, so we don't know yet. Maybe the will have a Council Organization Representative or a Chartered Unit Representative. We just don't know until it is rolled out.

With no announcements, there is no must. Maybe the COR is appointed by the committee? We won't know until the info is released.

The COR is a voting member of the council, but does not automatically get a seat on the board.

It is Stetson branded hat?

This is a great point. What has made me REALLY understand YPT rules was to read about 20-30 accounts of abuse when the records were released by a California (?) law firm. Wow. They still haunt me a bit. Use of phones and showers and wet gear. Ugh. It made it all really REAL for me.

My friend, who was extremely tight with money, suggested it to me years ago. Growing up in a blue collar construction / teacher household, it would have never cross my dad or mom's mind. My friend, who worked at the same fortune 50 that I did, said "we are engineers with long term careers at a very well established company". He went on to talk about how garnering our wages for the rest of our career would be worthwhile for someone after emptying one's 401k. So, I started with $1M about 18 years ago and maybe 10 moved it to $2M. It is $574/year, so $47/month. Having it shifts the liability of home owners, car, RV onto the umbrella, so part of the $47 would still be paid on those if we dropped it. Hard to do a apples to apples, but I am guessing somewhere between $25-$35/month truly extra. It helps me feel better about transporting Scouts etc.

This is a great question. I few years ago I upped my personal liability umbrella to $2M. I have wondered if it should be higher.

For work projects, we have to rate a project with different areas of risk: Safety risk, financial risk, technical risk, cost risk, and production reliability risk. All are different. So, Scouts is probably low personal safety risk, but high when it comes to legal / financial risk. That is due to the unknowns.

I know you were listing all of the issues, but which fit this criteria? I like your food for thought. I think the answer to a lot of the issues for me is head forward, stop looking up the pyramid, even if it falls down, we can still camp as a troop.

To some, not to others. It all depends on one’s faith. My faith doesn’t include capitalizing god. To others to even write the full name of g_d is disrespectful.

I understand you point is in general, but there are now clear policies out there. Website on the safe use: Safe Use of Medication in Scouting | Boy Scouts of America Main policy document: Medication Use in Scouting, No. 680-036 2019 rev.

This is where moving to a more volunteer based national will be key. If there were more people involved in the particular committees, with better channels for communication, this would not be an issue.

The current commissioner staff is like this. They have the names and email addresses of the key assistant commissioners all on their webpage. They also answer emails. I have received, within 2 weeks, answers from safety and field sports off of their webpages.

I do think this is the major reason for councils to not speak up. It would be not at all against HR law to hold against a council executive who did not follow national policy. Fear of this type of retribution would be a huge motivator for executives at all levels.