mrjohns2

I was at $2M, but your $4M caused me to reevaluate this last week. From both a holding and liability standpoint, I hadn't done a review in 5 years or so. I am now too at $4M. It wasn't much more to go from 2-4.

2% of all youth registered. Pretty much a failure as a movement goes. This is NOT something that should be used as a model of co-ed success. I hope national only spends 2% of its resources on it (or less since many youth & adults are dual enrolled and thus not paying extra for it).

Even before COVID, the numbers would say by at least that measurement, Venturing and Sea Scouting are not successful. This is from a national viability perspective. I bet there are many (hundreds) very successful crews and ships, so from the "on the ground" perspective it is great.

Other than being seasonal, how is this different? Dens are grade based, like GSUSA already.

Not any different than a franchisee would see.

I was in that group in 1982. I believe there was also a poster with tiger paw stickers. There were hats as well.

My understanding is that they are written at the 8th grade level. So, for some it would be harder than others. It really is up to the troop to make sure that it isn't too advancement oriented.

Meetings are the same place and time. Campouts are the same weekend, meet at same place, same time, but 9 out of 12 are different locations. So, adults must choose who to go with.

Our CO has determined that "family scouting" means meeting in the same location, same night, different rooms. It worked well until the pandemic. Cubs, girl troop, and boy troop all fit at one school. Den meetings in 6 rooms, girls troop in a community room, and boys troop in the cafeteria. It works very well for families.

I wonder if it is "first year" or is it they don't "re-up" at the turn of the year. For cubs that cross over in March, it is "free" to continue with very little effort. The big question is who *really* signs up for Scouts when they have to choose.

Camp Lokota...

I bet it would be a lot easier to get insurance than one would think. Same group that insurers outward bound etc. Insurance for a single unit and specific adults, I assume is much simpler than a large random organization. Now they would drop you after your first incident, but you would be good up to that point.

Wait, it had the same Scoutmaster for 67 years? Was it like, 87?

That is their side of the argument. You keep acting like there is nothing to be decided. Have you ever seen a court proceeding? Each side makes an argument for the moon. In the end, few get all.

With the speed of the courts, don't you feel that this is premature? Having a letter ready is fine to be prepared, but sending it out? I don't know if anyone knows anything. I wonder if the judge would even have a inkling of the timing. If National fails in the summer, it by no means that the LC's fail immediately. I guess you are a cynic, but wow, this seems premature to me.

Not in our town. It works out pretty well.

What else is there of value? Beyond the offices, HA camps, and bank accounts, there is nothing. I am ok with total liquidation if local camps are somewhat spared. I would be sad if they were not as well, but I still say, meh. Our troop will be ok. Our district, will be ok. My staff alumni association will be ok. Meh.

Meh. So, we lose the HA camps, the offices, etc. We will come back immediately afterwards.

It isn't the term that matters, but the behaviors of the perpetrators of abuse. This has nothing to do with religion, but it does have a lot to do with good adults being aware of the behaviors of predators. To deny grooming happens, is to turn a blind eye to the start of the abuse cycle. I assume you wouldn't want to be an enabler of a preparator?

I think both are true. You don’t believe in the concept of grooming as a precursor to a lot of abuse?

I think it does more than that. Well, let me brainstorm some things it does. -non-predators avoid bad appearances -another adult will be there on an activity to at least provide second person oversight; that other person must be 21 and potentially be better able to stand up for what is right -lets Scouts know what to look for via the booklet that is covered as part of Scout and Star -background checks -makes a big deal out of all of it to let potential perpetrators know we are looking, go somewhere less vigilant One of the things that the GSUSA does, but I don’t know if it makes a difference, is they contact your character references. I know since I talked to my references. It wasn’t just because I am a male. They called my wife’s as well.

I am happy to agree with you 100%. I do think the SM should not approve this. As a CC, if they approved before we could discuss, I would not “override”. I would, though, discuss with the SM or that it wasn’t a good idea.

You must not have read the same guides I have. The decision to approve rests solely with the SM. Yes, the CC could relieve them, but they cannot override them. It is not how the unit is structured. That is, unless you can point out where a) the committee voting process is a thing and b) the CC does more than support the program vs carting it out. I’m not saying you think they should, but the buck stops with the SM on advancement as long as they follow G2A.

Wait, there are still 2 Varsity Teams registered? It is some things like this that amaze me about the BSA. Make them register as a Crew and MOVE ON.

Uh, that isn’t how it works. This is solely they SM decision under the G2A. You can console him, but not override him. This isn’t an advancement coordinator role or a committee topic.