mrjohns2

Wow. What state? We only canceled the spring ordeal. Summer callouts and the fall were modified. As is tomorrow's fellowship weekend. I feel pretty lucky.

Uh, not in cases where the lawyer gets a percentage of the verdict. They represent their clients AND themselves. If they only got paid T&M, then sure. If they get a windfall by winning? You bet they are representing themselves as much or more than the client.

Scouts and Scouters may have paid for it, but we didn't hold the policy.

I hope you keep working your ticket! It is worth figuring out how to get done within your new situation. I really dislike the coed troop idea. At first, I was very upset at the BSA. After I have worked more and more with our girl troop, I see the reason why the BSA decided not to go co-ed. The Scouts take more risks when not around our boys troop. They speak up more, they laugh more, and they lead more. They have fund playing 9 square etc. with the boy troop, but really come back and learn about leadership when outside of the earshot of the boys.

Do you have a reference for this? It is my understanding the SM is selected by the COR and/or CC. Not by the committee.

I was at $2M, but your $4M caused me to reevaluate this last week. From both a holding and liability standpoint, I hadn't done a review in 5 years or so. I am now too at $4M. It wasn't much more to go from 2-4.

2% of all youth registered. Pretty much a failure as a movement goes. This is NOT something that should be used as a model of co-ed success. I hope national only spends 2% of its resources on it (or less since many youth & adults are dual enrolled and thus not paying extra for it).

Even before COVID, the numbers would say by at least that measurement, Venturing and Sea Scouting are not successful. This is from a national viability perspective. I bet there are many (hundreds) very successful crews and ships, so from the "on the ground" perspective it is great.

Other than being seasonal, how is this different? Dens are grade based, like GSUSA already.

Not any different than a franchisee would see.

I was in that group in 1982. I believe there was also a poster with tiger paw stickers. There were hats as well.

My understanding is that they are written at the 8th grade level. So, for some it would be harder than others. It really is up to the troop to make sure that it isn't too advancement oriented.

Meetings are the same place and time. Campouts are the same weekend, meet at same place, same time, but 9 out of 12 are different locations. So, adults must choose who to go with.

Our CO has determined that "family scouting" means meeting in the same location, same night, different rooms. It worked well until the pandemic. Cubs, girl troop, and boy troop all fit at one school. Den meetings in 6 rooms, girls troop in a community room, and boys troop in the cafeteria. It works very well for families.

I wonder if it is "first year" or is it they don't "re-up" at the turn of the year. For cubs that cross over in March, it is "free" to continue with very little effort. The big question is who *really* signs up for Scouts when they have to choose.

Camp Lokota...

I bet it would be a lot easier to get insurance than one would think. Same group that insurers outward bound etc. Insurance for a single unit and specific adults, I assume is much simpler than a large random organization. Now they would drop you after your first incident, but you would be good up to that point.

Wait, it had the same Scoutmaster for 67 years? Was it like, 87?

That is their side of the argument. You keep acting like there is nothing to be decided. Have you ever seen a court proceeding? Each side makes an argument for the moon. In the end, few get all.

With the speed of the courts, don't you feel that this is premature? Having a letter ready is fine to be prepared, but sending it out? I don't know if anyone knows anything. I wonder if the judge would even have a inkling of the timing. If National fails in the summer, it by no means that the LC's fail immediately. I guess you are a cynic, but wow, this seems premature to me.

Not in our town. It works out pretty well.

What else is there of value? Beyond the offices, HA camps, and bank accounts, there is nothing. I am ok with total liquidation if local camps are somewhat spared. I would be sad if they were not as well, but I still say, meh. Our troop will be ok. Our district, will be ok. My staff alumni association will be ok. Meh.

Meh. So, we lose the HA camps, the offices, etc. We will come back immediately afterwards.

It isn't the term that matters, but the behaviors of the perpetrators of abuse. This has nothing to do with religion, but it does have a lot to do with good adults being aware of the behaviors of predators. To deny grooming happens, is to turn a blind eye to the start of the abuse cycle. I assume you wouldn't want to be an enabler of a preparator?

I think both are true. You don’t believe in the concept of grooming as a precursor to a lot of abuse?