mrjohns2

It is clear you don't know the history of YP and how it is not a monolithic and unchanging system. I know that Youth Protection has changed a lot over 35 years. I was a Scout in 1987 and can assure it, is not the same program. Heck, it is not the same program it was 3 years ago. Even in the last moth they have made changes to Scoutbook.com that have made it even harder to contact Scouts without being a registered leader. Things will get harder and more restrictive next year and the year after. 2 months ago they made clear even more items of YP based on new FAQs. I think the BSA model can be made reasonably safe, and has been. Can it improve? Yes. Are the changes and clarifications they continue to make just like ones they make to airline procedures and they learn more? Yes. It is nifty that as new data comes about, one can adjust. I think that there have been plenty of plane crashes over the last 100 years. Yes, I still fly, since they are getting better and better every year. Plans made last year are not the same as those made in 1910. Are you thinking the BSA can stop abusers from being OCD about abuse? That the BSA cannot stop. What the BSA can do is to make sure that units apply the YP policies and always have a second adult present to identify the abusers putting themselves in position to commit abuse. Even the facilities have changed a lot of 35 years. Wide open, "gang" showers with no lockable doors. Anyone could wander from the youth to adult and back. Our current camp, all showers are individual and lockable. Huge difference. Were these in place in 1987? No. They have been built in the last 1-10 years depending on which shower-house. Each step like this will reduce risk and will eliminate loopholes. In the end, like any activity a child participates in, a parent will have to make a judgement on the relative safety. Should I enroll my child in a program, should I let them go on this out, and should I let them go with these adults and other Scouts. That in the end, will still have to be true. It is clear you do not trust the BSA and YP to protect children. Other parents will make a different judgement call. My family will do so knowing the program for that particular event, the adults in charge, and our own tolerance for risk. Just like everything else in life.

Sorry! $80M, not $500M. I would add the $42M to the $80M since they are basically saying they are going further in debt to make the other payments as well. That without the infusion of the $42M, they couldn’t operate.

No real protection in place for Scouts? You must not understand how current YP works. Is it perfect? Obviously not. Is it improving all of the time? Yes, more rules, more strictly enforced. With the BSA taking out a $500M loan to go into the trust, how is that different than selling off the properties? The cash is there just as if they were sold off, no?

This is all true. This will allow removal of many redundancies. It should be the next re-architecture after bankruptcy.

The fees are the same for Cubs or Scouts. $72, prorated to the month you register plus $25. So, if we have 4/12ths of the year left, you scale the $72 down to $24 then add the $25. For leaders, it is $48, scaled to the month, no $25 fee.

I assume that is due to your local council fees? $25 + $24 is only$49 to register in September.

That means they would be down to $10M without the infusion. Basically, broken no?

One of my jobs as an engineer in an manufacture/ industrial plant is drive what you describe. We can drive productivity by studying the process, giving people the tools, systems, etc to literally do more with less. Don’t cut willy-nilly. Study the work process, determine what is needed, and find the needs with the staffing reduction. We do a 5 year pay out. Automate with the budget being about a 20% rate of return. This stops a lot of “pie in the sky” since we have a budget. It also stops “just lay off the people a d so more with less”. Do more, fewer people, but have great supporting systems. I’d love to take it on. Real world ideas - no paper forms allowed, Scoutbook that is integrated with all of the other systems, etc. I’d buy BlackPug and really integrate it. Boom! It would be paid for by the savings.

It looks like a council office and store. https://www.humboldtlistings.com/idx/1007-Wood-Street-Eureka-CA-95501-mls_259440/?SavedSearch=20140710193939388326000000&PropertyType=A&pg=1&OrderBy=-ModificationTimestamp&p=y&n=y

You make this statement with no proof. Some councils, like ours, are the merger of 7 councils. None of those records were digitalized 20 years ago when they merged. Who knows how well each of the old councils kept their records. Council offices changed many times. Do they have some or many enrollment records? Likely, all? No.

Wouldn't that be up to the claimant?

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Also, some skills and new knowledge, at least for me, takes time to percolate. A day in between helps me a lot.

I wonder if it is rural, or just the number of Scouts in the council.

Well, taking out a $500M loan seems to be the way they avoid Les the loss of the bases. LCs could do the same assuming someone would grant such loan and payments could be made. Taking on the loan for the HA bases to stay may or may not be a good gamble.

Our Pack's system is fairly simple. Charge the Scout for everything. Then, allow the Scout to apply their fundraising contribution to those charges. This then allows families that don't wish to participate in fundraising to opt out. It also allows families that have a greater need, time, or desire for their Scout to earn their way, to participate. On top of that, we offer a few camperships to close the gap when needed.

How does that work, though, for the insurance portion? That is where the real money will be.

I took a stab at really merging hierarchies. Our rangers do a great job of supporting units at camp, but I guess they are staff vs. line. I see the program director out at enough council events to include him in line. I don't get what all of the office admin people do since we only have 1 registrar who sometimes gets help from 1 other admin. 1 SE Line 11 9 DE/Field Directors 1 Director of Field Service 1 Program Director Staff 14 3 Rangers 1 Marketing Specialist 2 Development Director 5 Office Admin 1 Director of Support Services 2 Accounting

Welcome! Your local Scout Council, District, etc. could always use volunteers! I made the mistake of not jumping back in after college, but before kids. With this being the best experience of your life, you could help others do the same! (assuming you are not already)

I bet you were at CFL? I was on staff ‘92-‘95. It is so very hard to see it go and for so little. My current council camp is Bear Paw. We have only done the dinning hall. The director is great. He was just hired as a DE, so chances are he will be the director for many years ahead. It is a good camp. My heart will always be at CFL, but my girls will know Bear Paw as their camp. my dad’s ashes will stay at CFL after the sale. So, it will always be a sacred space for me no matter what it becomes. Through coming to terms with the loss of CFL, I have learned a camp is mostly the program and rhe staff. The land may just be a memory.

This is helpful. As I have been changing my mind on lawyer fees, partly it is due to hearing these types of details. All of the staff and professionals come out of those fees. It isn’t one person having to get paid. It is many that SOMEONE is paying upfront.

For a long time I was very much mad at the lawyers. I don’t know why, but through the discussion I am ambivalent towards them. The victims hired them, understand their fees, and are ok with it. I am now ok with it too. Go back and see some my old posts, I have changed my opinion.

I agree. I don't think they would ever go for it.

This was one of the thought processes when the Vietnam Wall was built. List the dead, but provide a place for the living to visit. It took many 20-30 years to visit due to the hurt. I agree it shouldn't just be for BSA, but in the larger community. I know of no other type of monument. The memorial could be to the loss.

I never even thought about CO insurance being a worthwhile target. I keep thinking our CO, the PTO. But most of the religious institutions would have some decently deep pockets as well.