mrjohns2

From my 2 years of Scoutmaster, some of the best things was a new Scout who I helped get over her fear of lighting a match to fuse a rope or the Scout who was very very afraid of shooting a 22. She wanted to, but didn't think she could. It really was the little things.

I don't understand this point. They are replaced each year, so they go through them pretty quickly. Yes, they have to redesign them, but the cubs get a new one each year except for Webelos.

This is it. The cool thing about scouting is that the structure is there, just do it. Camping is fun. Camping is also unpredictable and thus provides natural situations where things go wrong and Scouts step up or learn. The fact it is unpredictable is so key since that is what allows for leadership situations.

Minimum of 11 campouts and 1 summer camp. Adults don’t cook, shop for groceries, and butt out. Have free time, allow Scouts of higher rank sign off for those of lower rank, meet 1/ week, and advancement and leadership happen. Have fun, get “credit for it” via advancement, let Scouts plan and run it, and leadership skills are developed.

Thanks. It is interesting that they had a firewall between CSA and Safety. To me, they are one of the same. With limited resources, we need to tackle the most severe and frequent injuries. If people are being abused, and we are working on poison ivy, that is wrong.

I hadn’t heard about this “smoking gun” of a coverup. Do you have a source? I haven’t watched the documentary or book or what ever, so maybe I’m missing out on a lot of these types of coverup action.

That must be the council fee.

Wow. It doesn’t seem like the want to. You can do a pretty socially distant ordeal. It takes effort, but come on!

I thought if you were past the SOL, via the plan, you could still get something vs nothing. No?

Is this one of those things where they rename the BSA to something like "BSA Legacy" and then coming out of the bankruptcy they name the new organization BSA? "BSA Legacy" is the one that continues as long as the trust continues. I thought I have seen that before when the car companies went out of business. The pensions etc. stayed with the old GM etc.

Scoutbook allows printing on the forms from Scoutshop or blank blue paper.

Our council sent a letter saying that they don’t anticipate having to sell one of our 4 camps. They believe they have the funds. I don’t know if I would have been so optimistic without having all of the data.

I think this points to the core issue with any plan or offer and local and national: there just isn’t a ton of money/assets to go around. Not a lot even if totally liquidated, but obviously a lot less if orgs are allowed to continue. Thus the need for bankruptcy in the first place and the root of the low payment figures per case.

This is key to improvements. Very important data that, when made public, will require the BSA to make changes.

It is clear you don't know the history of YP and how it is not a monolithic and unchanging system. I know that Youth Protection has changed a lot over 35 years. I was a Scout in 1987 and can assure it, is not the same program. Heck, it is not the same program it was 3 years ago. Even in the last moth they have made changes to Scoutbook.com that have made it even harder to contact Scouts without being a registered leader. Things will get harder and more restrictive next year and the year after. 2 months ago they made clear even more items of YP based on new FAQs. I think the BSA model can be made reasonably safe, and has been. Can it improve? Yes. Are the changes and clarifications they continue to make just like ones they make to airline procedures and they learn more? Yes. It is nifty that as new data comes about, one can adjust. I think that there have been plenty of plane crashes over the last 100 years. Yes, I still fly, since they are getting better and better every year. Plans made last year are not the same as those made in 1910. Are you thinking the BSA can stop abusers from being OCD about abuse? That the BSA cannot stop. What the BSA can do is to make sure that units apply the YP policies and always have a second adult present to identify the abusers putting themselves in position to commit abuse. Even the facilities have changed a lot of 35 years. Wide open, "gang" showers with no lockable doors. Anyone could wander from the youth to adult and back. Our current camp, all showers are individual and lockable. Huge difference. Were these in place in 1987? No. They have been built in the last 1-10 years depending on which shower-house. Each step like this will reduce risk and will eliminate loopholes. In the end, like any activity a child participates in, a parent will have to make a judgement on the relative safety. Should I enroll my child in a program, should I let them go on this out, and should I let them go with these adults and other Scouts. That in the end, will still have to be true. It is clear you do not trust the BSA and YP to protect children. Other parents will make a different judgement call. My family will do so knowing the program for that particular event, the adults in charge, and our own tolerance for risk. Just like everything else in life.

Sorry! $80M, not $500M. I would add the $42M to the $80M since they are basically saying they are going further in debt to make the other payments as well. That without the infusion of the $42M, they couldn’t operate.

No real protection in place for Scouts? You must not understand how current YP works. Is it perfect? Obviously not. Is it improving all of the time? Yes, more rules, more strictly enforced. With the BSA taking out a $500M loan to go into the trust, how is that different than selling off the properties? The cash is there just as if they were sold off, no?

This is all true. This will allow removal of many redundancies. It should be the next re-architecture after bankruptcy.

The fees are the same for Cubs or Scouts. $72, prorated to the month you register plus $25. So, if we have 4/12ths of the year left, you scale the $72 down to $24 then add the $25. For leaders, it is $48, scaled to the month, no $25 fee.

I assume that is due to your local council fees? $25 + $24 is only$49 to register in September.

That means they would be down to $10M without the infusion. Basically, broken no?

One of my jobs as an engineer in an manufacture/ industrial plant is drive what you describe. We can drive productivity by studying the process, giving people the tools, systems, etc to literally do more with less. Don’t cut willy-nilly. Study the work process, determine what is needed, and find the needs with the staffing reduction. We do a 5 year pay out. Automate with the budget being about a 20% rate of return. This stops a lot of “pie in the sky” since we have a budget. It also stops “just lay off the people a d so more with less”. Do more, fewer people, but have great supporting systems. I’d love to take it on. Real world ideas - no paper forms allowed, Scoutbook that is integrated with all of the other systems, etc. I’d buy BlackPug and really integrate it. Boom! It would be paid for by the savings.

It looks like a council office and store. https://www.humboldtlistings.com/idx/1007-Wood-Street-Eureka-CA-95501-mls_259440/?SavedSearch=20140710193939388326000000&PropertyType=A&pg=1&OrderBy=-ModificationTimestamp&p=y&n=y

You make this statement with no proof. Some councils, like ours, are the merger of 7 councils. None of those records were digitalized 20 years ago when they merged. Who knows how well each of the old councils kept their records. Council offices changed many times. Do they have some or many enrollment records? Likely, all? No.

Wouldn't that be up to the claimant?