mrjohns2

Good citizen.

Sorry. I confused it with IOLS. The online ILST wasn’t that great, IMHO. The Scouts would benefit from older Scouts presenting.

I didn't know they were public facing. From what I heard is that a couple of councils participated in an official test of online ILST and it was determiuned that wouldn't be an option going forward.

I have never heard an exclusion. the wording in national is pretty clear. They could have easily said no overnights. 🙂 https://www.scouting.org/health-and-safety/gss/gss10/

@MattR Great balanced approach.

Those risks are covered by BSA insurance as long as a health form and permission slip are covered. The insurance clearly covers non registered youth who are being recruited to join.

I commend your ability to hold the line. Even if they "just" paid the $4/Scout (or parent), they still haven't paid the dues and everything else that made the year possible. Should you get blow back? They aren't in the right, but I am not surprised that the "good 'o boy's club" will cause issues. If he is the "go to range guy" he should know this isn't free. Money is part of all of it - be it from the family or fund raisers. If it was my family? I'd say "we are back, it has been a long time, how much to even up for us to get back in the good?" That is what an adult would do. If you said $200, then they shouldn't bat an eye and pay.

I agree. If we were talking a year or 2, no. 3 months? Don't punish the Scout, give them credit, nothing to see here, everyone moves along. 🙂

How long back are we talking?

We created a 501c3 a couple of years ago. We are about as small as you can get with <$200 of expenses and no donations for the first year or 2. When a volunteer’s employer checked recently, we were on the list! That was our first real donation. It does have to be a registered 501c3. Many churches aren’t since they are exempt from the paperwork if they are a member of a larger denomination that is. So, the larger denomination would be in the list, but not the unit.

The app is only for scouts and parents. The real power is through the website as a “web app”.

I took it and read it in 2020.

It is much clearer, to me, since what do you call 2 overnights? Not sure. Overnight is the opposite of not staying just the day, to me. It doesn’t mean singular, to me. It clearly says camping. Does that mean a tent? What about 2 nights in a council cabin? Our council cabins are booked solid from September - March with Cub Scout packs doing 2 “overnights”.

Dude, not helpful.

Exactly. Anyone complaining is just sad their corporate loophole doesn't exist anymore. Everyone is right, this is about money. But units weren't using the "free" membership as intended. Ok?

This is awesome that you did it on a campout; not a Court of Honor.

I like that idea. Like a cross over from AOL.

I had always read it as “all events require 2 registered adults, 21 years or older, if any females less than 21 present, one of the 2 must be female”. I guess since we are a troop and pack, we never had a 18-21 year old participant to worry about.

I’d word it differently. This will make it so that people who were using the “free” MBC as a loophole will now have to pay.

Our troop, following in the footsteps of my youth troop, have a family campout each year. This is useful in many ways. It allows parents in new families to spend quality time with the troop adults. It also is a great answer for people who want to bring a sibling on other campouts - “sorry, but they can come on the annual family campout”. I guess we can’t do that any longer?

A big thing for me is that I am the policy holder and not the BSA. 🙂

At first I was ready to type "but, but, but that family has so much money..." The counter to that is the councils have so much money in assets.

It is already hard for me to recruit in September when it is ~$50 for 3 months and then $175 (national fee and unit dues) by 12/1. This giant fee increase assumes nothing for the unit. Crazy.

This seems, without looking at the details, to be the issue. Staff, staff pay, facilities, and services sized for 2x the current org would drive 2x the old costs.

Did you read the whole sentence? It is like a Franken sentence. It is an option for the required uniform. What does they mean?