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Current Guide to Shooting Sports (https://filestore.scouting.org/filestore/outdoor program/pdf/30931_wb.pdf) Appendix 9, p. 179 says: "Public, private property or commercial ranges must be certified using the application found here: Click here or type this address in browser https://www.scouting.org/outdoor-programs/shoot- ing-sports/permission/" Following that link takes you to https://www.scouting.org/outdoor-programs/shooting-sports/permission/ The page says: "The Private Property Approval for Shooting Sports by Units, Districts, and Councils is a work sheet you must use to determine if a public or private land is suitable for use as a shooting sports range. Download the work sheet here." The worksheet (which MUST be used) is https://filestore.scouting.org/filestore/Outdoor Program/Shooting Sports/430-065_WB.pdf This sheet lists the procedures required to approve non-Council ranges, including private property: "How does a council approve private property ranges for use by Scouting programs? 1. Appoint a shooting sports chairman and committee for the council with district representatives on the committee. 2. Appoint a certified NRA chief range safety officer(s) to evaluate proposed private property ranges using the attached forms. Once the forms are completed, they are presented to the Shooting Sports Committee and Scout executive for approval and are to be used by local units, districts, or the council. 3. The range is approved for two years if there are no changes to the range site or approved standard operating procedures. 4. Renewal is completed following the same process—reviewing the actual use, accidents, near misses, and whether it is still needed to provide program for youth. 5. The council will keep a file in one location with all applications approved and/or not approved as part of the council’s permanent records." Note the requirement for the NRA CRSO. It would make much more sense if they would simply make a form for archery ranges, based on the current firearms-based approval form, with appropriate changes. A USAA L1 or L2 instead of a Chief RSO, USAA Range rules poster, etc.

The form is, as you have noted, entirely focused on firearm use. It is, however, still required according to the Shooting Sports Manual (Appendix 9, p. 179): So, as I read it, to use private land as an archery range, we have to have our Chief RSO come and inspect it and certify it safe for firearms use. <facepalm> But wait! On the next page, the range for an "Open Shoot" is defined as: Hurray! No approval required! And then in the next Appendix (The Instructional Archery Experience), we're back to having an NRA CRSO inspect our range and make sure it's good for firearms. It would be nice if BSA was a) consistent, and b) aware of what they're doing. The form is obviously for firearms, and someone has decided that the same regulations must apply for all the shooting sports. As it stands, either you have to have your Council's CRSO come and waste a bunch of time inspecting an archery range that has nothing to do with his expertise, or you can't use private property ranges, without going outside the rules. How utterly dumb.

The color I got (which I now can't find) was called "Dust Tan". It was Velcro brand. https://www.amazon.com/VELCRO-Brand-Fasteners-Patch-Tape/dp/B003SNZDN0

Yeah, the button loop is what doesn't work - I think I'm going to have to go ahead and sew the one on that I'd like to have. The loop would probably work better if I didn't tend to keep things in my pockets - but I hate non-functional pockets. Thanks for the help, everyone!

I don't generally wear the temporary patches, but occasionally want to. When I do, they ALWAYS fall off at some point. Is there a good way to keep them affixed? Should I just give up? TIA.

Diplomacy is one of the best simulations of the leadup to WWI. It can take a VERY long time to play, but if you can take the time and work with the boys, it's really a good way to look at it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diplomacy_(game)

I agree with qwazse; I think it's best to use the salute for the position in which you are currently acting. If you are saluting as the leader of the Wolf Den, use the Cub Scout salute along with your Scouts.

I'm (fairly) new to the forums and to Scouting. I got involved with my son last year when he was a Lion, and now I'm a Tiger den leader. Looking forward to learning a lot. --Scott