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Yes i agree. it pertains to the whole section along with the adult supervision requirements. this is what they are eluding to in the below F.A.Q. only one registered BSA adult. As the rules do not apply to scout youth or unregistered adults. Ill certainly try to comply but its a pretty unrealistic rule given all the social interaction outside of scouts, IE sports and school pickups and such. given to the answer of the second question. OK . done venting. gotta run to a patrol and PLC meeting. (i am sure they will play the orb avoidance game) Q. The Barriers to Abuse states “One-on-one contact between adult leaders and youth members is prohibited both inside and outside of Scouting.” What does ‘inside and outside of Scouting’ mean? A. The BSA has adopted its youth protection policies for the safety and well-being of its members. These policies primarily protect youth members; however, they also serve to protect adult leaders. All parents and caregivers should understand that our leaders are to abide by these safeguards. Registered leaders must follow these guidelines with all Scouting youth outside of Scouting activities. There are careers that may require one-on-one contact with youth, however aside from those roles, volunteers must abide by the youth protection policies of the BSA even outside of Scouting activities. This policy is in place to prevent abuse in and out of Scouting. Adults should never be alone with youth who are not their children. Q. Does this mean my son cannot have a sleepover if I am the only adult present? A. Yes, if any of the children other than your own child is a Scout, we strongly encourage all adults to use the Barriers to Abuse in and out of Scouting.

Youth Protection and Adult Leadership Scouting’s Barriers to Abuse The BSA has adopted the following policies for the safety and well-being of its members. These policies primarily protect youth members; however, they also serve to protect adult leaders. All parents and caregivers should understand that our leaders are to abide by these safeguards. Parents and youth are strongly encouraged to use these safeguards outside the Scouting program. Registered leaders must follow these guidelines with all Scouting youth outside of Scouting activities. highlighted for emphasis BSA says otherwise. You cant make this stuff up.

so. after reviewing the new updates. in particular sarcasm in effect. Prohibited Activities (Effective 10-1-2019) 14 .Activities where participants shoot or throw objects at each other, such as rock-throwing, paintball, laser or archery tag, sock fights, or dodgeball. I must now also prohibit ultimate Frisbee,baseball and other similar activity's. oh and no more water polo or volley ball 9.Extreme or action sports and associated activities that involve an unusually high degree of risk and often involve speed, height, a high level of exertion, and specialized gear or equipment. These activities include but are not limited to Bubbleball, Knockerball®, zorbing, Battle Balls™, bubble soccer, bubble football, and similar orb activities where participants collide or roll around on land or water Hold on a minute. I have to tell my son that his friend (who is a scout) needs to leave because I am the only adult(registered leader) in my house, and I do not have 2 deep leadership outside of scouting. OK. potential lawsuit avoided.

I would love to see national follow there own rules. @RichardB What about all those closed "invite only "Facebook and Scoutbook pages that i am not allowed to view? Seems a little hypocritical "Nothing to see here Citizen (Scouter) move along"

I guess the troop will have to buy a stingray system now. 🤣

When i was in cubs the pack paid for dues and one uniform. In my troop they pay for the dues.

I do not think it needs much expanding. BSA has stated "A registered female adult leader over 21 must be present for any activity involving female youth". with no such requirement for male leaders be present for male youth. On its face it is sexist.some may not agree and that's fine .But it does not line up with the BSA stance on equality among scouts. A male for no other reason other than being male is considered not qualified to supervise female scouts. If this rule were turned around the other way it would get a lot more attention. As usual BSA has put out a rule with no explanation behind there reasoning. Other than the standard non answer. This is a problem. Both male and female leaders I have talked to are upset about this rule and the host of other G2SS changes (where are all the leaders gonna come from), and have been vocal to local professionals. The fact is there are just not enough female leaders willing to camp and hike. Around me the packs are having a hard time getting the requirements done properly. Not to mention the resentment felt by the male leaders who are trying to embrace this change, and yes it is there if BSA likes it or not. eagle94-A1 As the rule states the female leader be at the activity, and the activity being camporee. I am sure the district or council will have a registered female leader there all the time. I know mine does. good luck. that's my 25 cents.

In this situation, I don't understand how it is the responsibility of the troop to provide the female leadership. If your pack is working outside of the rules it is on the pack to make it work. The same if it was an all girl den. The real problem is with the blaytonly sexist rule of the BSA. I hope you can get it worked out.

seems to much of a coincidence that the national help desk and my council trainer are parroting the same idea. the rule is pretty clear. one single activity. i relay don't see how they can interpret this as meaning anything else. looks to me they want to increase adult registrations and are using this rule as a guise. unfortunately most people will just do it without question.

They said that also at ypt2 training. the trainer said scouting is a year round activity and hours are cumulative. i just rolled my eyes. cant argue with a woodbager seems these days that reading comprehension is lacking on so many levels.

I was a quisp kid

And it begins. So much for not changing the program. why else would you need 2 handbooks?

I think you need to at least talk to the parents first. I find it disheartening that we are mandatory reporters to the BSA and Government agents. But not to the actual parents of the scout. Who is a minor.

Just wait. All scouts will be required to be in bubble wrap and inflatable safety bubbles. With no less than 10 registered adult leaders for any event. Adventure = risk. We are raising are youth to be risk adverse. No wonder membership is declineing. Safety is a factor, but should not be used to suck all the fun out of everything.

Without getting into all the nuts and bolts of the patrol method. We as leaders are not there to supervise. Rather we are there for health and (true)safety reasons. the scouts run the show good or bad. only stepping in when absolutely necessary. and mentoring when needed.which is the hard part. Yes. our patrols work 99,9% (or did) without adult leadership,outside of the troop meetings. It is(or was) encouraged. Troop activity's always have adult leadership present.(drinking coffee far away from the scouts). Up until the last change to the G2SS. Patrol activity's to include day hikes and overnight(one night)camping trips were allowed with no adult leaders. The conversation started when I had to inform the patrols that they no longer could conduct any patrol activity.(meetings,hiking projects,camping, Popcorn selling) unless 2 21+ registered leaders were present. These are things they did for years without adults. I can not give them an answer( they just don't buy into the "were here to make you safe") because I can not get one from BSA. what would you think if it were you? As our troop can not provide all the adult leadership this rule change will require. About 80% of the patrol activity's will have to end. Not because we do not know how to provide it, but we can't provide it. I ask this This system has worked and been in place for over 100 years. What looming safety issue has arisen in the last year to require yet more adult(21 +) leaders we do not have?